Skip to content

Advanced search
  • Quick links
    • Unanswered topics
    • Active topics
    • Search
  • FAQ
  • Login
  • Register
  • Board index Micronational Organisations Micras Treaty Organisation General Assembly
  • Search

[MTOCLOS] Revisions?

The main organ of the MTO in which member nations discuss new treaties and international affairs.

Moderators: Staff, MTO Secretaries

Post Reply
  • Print view
Advanced search
8 posts • Page 1 of 1
Ric
Posts: 637
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:36 am
[MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Ric » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:08 pm

This discussion is open for member states of the MTO Convention of the Law of the Seas.

Chryse wishes to raise the following questions for discussion:

Merging reserve zones with territorial waters
- Remove reserve zones, instead let the territorial waters cover them

Redefine the km to degrees
- All border treaties referencing the MTO CLOS have used km but indicated maps by degrees. The world isn't flat, the Micras map only shows degrees and is valid for km only at the equator.

As such it would make more sense if we redefine the borders to degrees, translating 360 km to 3 degrees (which on the equator would amount to 360 km).

In reality it would mean that one's territorial waters would be wider if located further to the poles, but since de facto is the rule we have used since the implemenation of the convention, it would de facto mean no difference, only a de jure difference (but de jure we haven't followed that provision).
Top

User avatar
Nathan
Posts: 843
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:38 pm
Contact:
Contact Nathan
Website
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Nathan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pm

The reserve zone and territorial water distinction is important to keep, I think, because "territorial waters" often prevents international transit. In areas where a lot of coastal and island nations are together, this will make seaways impassable and international trade impossible. But it's important to keep the reserve/economic zones too so that states can fully utilize the resources in their surrounding waters, island nations in particular.
Nathan II, Emperor of Natopia
Marco Lungo, Secretary-General of the Micras Treaty Organization and Natopian Delegate
And Other Supporting Characters
Top

Ric
Posts: 637
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:36 am
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Ric » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:09 pm

Fair, but what about the other point?
Top

User avatar
Nathan
Posts: 843
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:38 pm
Contact:
Contact Nathan
Website
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Nathan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:45 pm

On one hand I've never used degrees to refer to anything on Micras so it's a little hard to visualize it. On the other hand, using km in the text of treaties ensures that a reserve zone is the same "actual" area even if its not accurately shown on a map. I think the main problem is people (i.e. ME) drawing MTOCLOS maps without taking into consideration the map's distortion closer to the poles.
Nathan II, Emperor of Natopia
Marco Lungo, Secretary-General of the Micras Treaty Organization and Natopian Delegate
And Other Supporting Characters
Top

Edgard
Posts: 731
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:53 am
Contact:
Contact Edgard
Website
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Edgard » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:50 pm

Nathan wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:45 pm
On one hand I've never used degrees to refer to anything on Micras so it's a little hard to visualize it. On the other hand, using km in the text of treaties ensures that a reserve zone is the same "actual" area even if its not accurately shown on a map. I think the main problem is people (i.e. ME) drawing MTOCLOS maps without taking into consideration the map's distortion closer to the poles.
Agreed. I think moving to degrees is going to be too complicated and inaccessible to most folks. I say we just leave it how it is.
EDGARD
Central Committee of Edgards
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Currently involved in: Alduria-Wechua, Natopia, Ransenar, Constancia
Join the Alduria-Wechua & Ransenar Discord server here!
Top

Ric
Posts: 637
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:36 am
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Ric » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:21 pm

I see no agreement to move ahead with this. Thank you gentlemen for engaging with me nonetheless!
Top

Ric
Posts: 637
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:36 am
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Ric » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:01 pm

I tried doing Elwynn's waters to show the territorial and reserve waters here. You see how bizarre it gets the further north in Elwynn you go.
Spoiler!
Image
Top

User avatar
Nathan
Posts: 843
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:38 pm
Contact:
Contact Nathan
Website
Re: [MTOCLOS] Revisions?
  • Quote

Post by Nathan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:29 pm

I guess that's just how these types of maps end of looking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive ... _World.svg)

Aside from drawing these maps on a globe I'm not sure how to easily solve this problem. At least what you've done here demonstrates certain areas that look like international waters on the flat map are, in fact, territorial waters.
Nathan II, Emperor of Natopia
Marco Lungo, Secretary-General of the Micras Treaty Organization and Natopian Delegate
And Other Supporting Characters
Top


Post Reply
  • Print view

8 posts • Page 1 of 1

Return to “General Assembly”

Jump to
  • Micronational Organisations
  • ↳   Micras Cartography Society
  • ↳   Notices
  • ↳   Claims
  • ↳   Claims & Modifications
  • ↳   Completed Claims
  • ↳   Added & Rejected Claims
  • ↳   Regulations Discussion
  • ↳   Complaints Desk
  • ↳   Administrative Council
  • ↳   Micronational Astronomy Society
  • ↳   Satellite Claims
  • ↳   Data & Facts
  • ↳   Pictures
  • ↳   Standardisation of Micras
  • ↳   Standardisation of the Atos System
  • ↳   Micrasian Meteorological Agency
  • ↳   Archives
  • ↳   General Archives
  • ↳   Finished Votes
  • ↳   Fédération Micraise de Sport
  • ↳   Fédération Micraise de Football
  • ↳   FMF World Cup
  • ↳   Statistics Office
  • ↳   Transfer Central
  • ↳   Fédération Micraise de Rugby League
  • ↳   FMRL World Cup
  • ↳   International Competitions
  • ↳   Fédération Micraise de Tennis
  • ↳   Micras Basketball Federation
  • ↳   Micras Cricket Federation
  • ↳   Micras Futsal Grand Prix
  • ↳   Micras Gridiron Football Federation
  • ↳   Micras Hockey League
  • ↳   Micras Rugby Union
  • ↳   Micronational Motorsports League
  • ↳   Micras Treaty Organisation
  • ↳   General Assembly
  • ↳   The Secretariat
  • ↳   Library of the Micras Treaty Organisation
  • ↳   MTO Archives
  • Resources
  • ↳   MicrasWiki
  • ↳   Micras Discord Server
  • General
  • ↳   Micronational News
  • ↳   Micronational Discussion
  • ↳   The Cod's Leg
  • Administration
  • ↳   Administration
  • ↳   Forum Administration
  • ↳   Website Administration
  • ↳   ForumList
  • ↳   MicrasWiki Administration
  • ↳   Complaints and Suggestions
  • ↳   Archives
  • ↳   International Centre for Micropatriology
  • ↳   Apollo Foundation
  • ↳   Cartographers' Guild
  • ↳   College of Arms
  • ↳   Micras Heritage Sites Board
  • ↳   MillenniumMedia Group
  • ↳   Micronational Radio
  • ↳   Micronational Economics
  • ↳   Standardised Currency and Unified Economy
  • ↳   Bank
  • ↳   Discussion on World Economy
  • ↳   Micras Initiative Trading Organisation
  • ↳   Micronational RecWar
  • ↳   Anunia Convention
  • ↳   Boardroom
  • ↳   Project Ares
  • ↳   World War 2 (26/09/2007-06/10/2007)
  • ↳   Recwar Preparation
  • ↳   Recwar Battleground
  • ↳   Redoubt Island War (21/05/2008-08/07/2008)
  • ↳   Preparation
  • ↳   Battleground
  • ↳   Jasonian War (05/01/2009-11/01/2009)
  • ↳   War Prep
  • ↳   Battleground
  • ↳   Amokolian War (01/09/2009-07/10/2009)
  • ↳   Recwar Preparation
  • ↳   Recwar Battleground
  • ↳   Montauk Island War (25/09/2010-12/11/2010)
  • ↳   Preparation
  • ↳   Battleground
  • ↳   War of Lost Brothers (21/10/2017-31/01/2018)
  • ↳   International Talenore-Niijima Friendship Cruise
  • Board index
  • All times are UTC
  • Delete cookies
  • Contact us
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited
*Original Author: Brad Veryard
*Updated to 3.2 by MannixMD