[Address] Ergonian aggression
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Mr. Secretary-General,
Since debate has been extended, I will be providing a
more detailed explanation soon in response to the
request by the Representative from Alexandria. It is
not finished yet. It will be posted hopefully soon.
Since debate has been extended, I will be providing a
more detailed explanation soon in response to the
request by the Representative from Alexandria. It is
not finished yet. It will be posted hopefully soon.
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Re: [Address] Ergonian aggression
To the Representative from Alexandria, and Gathered
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The issue at hand is that a person has impersonated
an officer of the Ergonian Navy and begun to make
posts, starting with the supposed monitoring of a
Talenorian port by a submarine, and ensuing with
actions that, if true, are quite aggressive. This person,
as we have stated earlier, is not and never has been
Ergonian, nor are they acting on behalf of Ergonia, nor
have they ever acted on Ergonia. There is proof, in the
form of both circumstantial evidence and possible hard
evidence, that this person is not who they say they are.
Firstly, let us examine the circumstantial evidence. The
post in Khalypsil has the "Captain Poldark" steering a
dinghy that looks atrocious. The paint is peeling, the
surfaces are dirty, the crew are not in proper uniform, there
appears to be trash strewn about it, fuel canisters are
stored dangerously close to the bow, and the roof is made
of shanty roof tin. Furthermore, this is not the type or class of
craft that the modern Ergonian navy would ever use in a
mission. (Nor would any navy I know of.) Moreover, any
Ergonian Navy captain who kept a ship in that condition
would be immediately court-martialed and demoted; and, more
likely, they never would have attained the rank of Captain
in the first place, much less Ensign, since keeping our ships
in top ship-shape condition is a major priority in the Ergonian
Navy, even for the lowliest of personnel. Lastly, the supposed
name of the ship, the Jahangir Plan, is historically incorrect
because that name has no relevance to Ergonian culture, history,
or ideals whatsoever; such a name would never have been chosen
for an Ergonian ship.
Another example of circumstantial evidence is the
mispelling of the name of the nation of Talenore in
the same post as "Telanore." Misspellings are sometimes
unavoidable due to the fast pace of things, but we think
we would strive to give enough respect to another nation,
particularly one with which we were engaged in monitoring
or other activities, the benefit of spelling their name
correctly. We try to spell the names of other nations
correctly.
Yet another example of circumstantial evidence is the
fact that the actions of "Captain Poldark" are dangerous
and rash, and contradictory to the philosophy of Ergonia,
Scientific Intuitiveness. His supposed actions and statements are
the actions and statements of a man who is not only
totally unfamiliar with Ergonian culture, but also utterly
undisciplined in its nuances. Therefore, his actions and characteristics
are very non-Ergonian. Also, although Ergonia does not have
treaties with, nor does it officially recognize the nations of Jingdao
and Talenore, it does not proceed against them with reckless
abandon. It is perfectly plausible that Talenore could
have a minefield to defend itself, as it claims to have established
and engaged against the supposed submarine being in its waters.
A skilled Ergonian naval captain would never have placed
himself in such an intractable situation in the first place. The same
goes for the supposed activities of "Captain Poldark" in
regards to Passio-Corum. A true Ergonian naval captain
would not go all "Captain Ahab" (to use a metaphor based
on the story Moby Dick), and abandon all reason and judgement,
and, for that matter, common sense, to attack a neutral
nation such as Passio-Corum.
An additional form of proof is my word, in other words,
the validity my assertion that I am telling the truth. My word
has been accepted as good to negotiate many treaties with
Ergonia, all with peace as an ultimate focus.. Those who have
paid close attention to my diplomatic efforts as of late would
note that in these efforts my word has been as good as gold.
Now to address the main piece of possible hard evidence:
There is the fact that the IP addresses used to make the
posts by the so-called "Captain Poldark" will most certainly be
different than the IP addresses used to make the posts by
Thadeus Lange Jr or the other characters under my "control."
This evidence is in the hands of the Administrators of the Bastion
forums. I do not have the evidence myself. Now, I should add,
that IP spoofing websites are available, lest someone mention that.
IP spoofing websites can make an IP address random and untraceable.
If the person who made the posts by "Captain Poldark" used an
IP spoofing website, that perhaps would be unfortunate, as it would
immediately turn this piece of evidence into something much less
certain. However, in case the person was not using IP spoofing software,
and that they were or are already a user of the Bastion forums under
a different, perhaps more recognized name, the IP address
used to post under "Captain Poldark" might match the address
they used to make their posts under the recognized username,
thereby identifying the person who made the posts.
In conclusion, the person who calls himself "Captain Poldark" is not
and never has been a member of the Ergonian Navy. Moreover, they
have never been a resident of Ergonia. Nor have their supposed
harmful actions been undertaken at the request of Ergonia
(or me). I submit that both the circumstantial evidence and
possible hard evidence presented illustrate that this is true.
I humbly yield the floor.
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The issue at hand is that a person has impersonated
an officer of the Ergonian Navy and begun to make
posts, starting with the supposed monitoring of a
Talenorian port by a submarine, and ensuing with
actions that, if true, are quite aggressive. This person,
as we have stated earlier, is not and never has been
Ergonian, nor are they acting on behalf of Ergonia, nor
have they ever acted on Ergonia. There is proof, in the
form of both circumstantial evidence and possible hard
evidence, that this person is not who they say they are.
Firstly, let us examine the circumstantial evidence. The
post in Khalypsil has the "Captain Poldark" steering a
dinghy that looks atrocious. The paint is peeling, the
surfaces are dirty, the crew are not in proper uniform, there
appears to be trash strewn about it, fuel canisters are
stored dangerously close to the bow, and the roof is made
of shanty roof tin. Furthermore, this is not the type or class of
craft that the modern Ergonian navy would ever use in a
mission. (Nor would any navy I know of.) Moreover, any
Ergonian Navy captain who kept a ship in that condition
would be immediately court-martialed and demoted; and, more
likely, they never would have attained the rank of Captain
in the first place, much less Ensign, since keeping our ships
in top ship-shape condition is a major priority in the Ergonian
Navy, even for the lowliest of personnel. Lastly, the supposed
name of the ship, the Jahangir Plan, is historically incorrect
because that name has no relevance to Ergonian culture, history,
or ideals whatsoever; such a name would never have been chosen
for an Ergonian ship.
Another example of circumstantial evidence is the
mispelling of the name of the nation of Talenore in
the same post as "Telanore." Misspellings are sometimes
unavoidable due to the fast pace of things, but we think
we would strive to give enough respect to another nation,
particularly one with which we were engaged in monitoring
or other activities, the benefit of spelling their name
correctly. We try to spell the names of other nations
correctly.
Yet another example of circumstantial evidence is the
fact that the actions of "Captain Poldark" are dangerous
and rash, and contradictory to the philosophy of Ergonia,
Scientific Intuitiveness. His supposed actions and statements are
the actions and statements of a man who is not only
totally unfamiliar with Ergonian culture, but also utterly
undisciplined in its nuances. Therefore, his actions and characteristics
are very non-Ergonian. Also, although Ergonia does not have
treaties with, nor does it officially recognize the nations of Jingdao
and Talenore, it does not proceed against them with reckless
abandon. It is perfectly plausible that Talenore could
have a minefield to defend itself, as it claims to have established
and engaged against the supposed submarine being in its waters.
A skilled Ergonian naval captain would never have placed
himself in such an intractable situation in the first place. The same
goes for the supposed activities of "Captain Poldark" in
regards to Passio-Corum. A true Ergonian naval captain
would not go all "Captain Ahab" (to use a metaphor based
on the story Moby Dick), and abandon all reason and judgement,
and, for that matter, common sense, to attack a neutral
nation such as Passio-Corum.
An additional form of proof is my word, in other words,
the validity my assertion that I am telling the truth. My word
has been accepted as good to negotiate many treaties with
Ergonia, all with peace as an ultimate focus.. Those who have
paid close attention to my diplomatic efforts as of late would
note that in these efforts my word has been as good as gold.
Now to address the main piece of possible hard evidence:
There is the fact that the IP addresses used to make the
posts by the so-called "Captain Poldark" will most certainly be
different than the IP addresses used to make the posts by
Thadeus Lange Jr or the other characters under my "control."
This evidence is in the hands of the Administrators of the Bastion
forums. I do not have the evidence myself. Now, I should add,
that IP spoofing websites are available, lest someone mention that.
IP spoofing websites can make an IP address random and untraceable.
If the person who made the posts by "Captain Poldark" used an
IP spoofing website, that perhaps would be unfortunate, as it would
immediately turn this piece of evidence into something much less
certain. However, in case the person was not using IP spoofing software,
and that they were or are already a user of the Bastion forums under
a different, perhaps more recognized name, the IP address
used to post under "Captain Poldark" might match the address
they used to make their posts under the recognized username,
thereby identifying the person who made the posts.
In conclusion, the person who calls himself "Captain Poldark" is not
and never has been a member of the Ergonian Navy. Moreover, they
have never been a resident of Ergonia. Nor have their supposed
harmful actions been undertaken at the request of Ergonia
(or me). I submit that both the circumstantial evidence and
possible hard evidence presented illustrate that this is true.
I humbly yield the floor.
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(You could have simply said: look, that guy can make sentences without going to a new line each time... proof enough )
Honoured Servant of the Jingdaoese Heavenly Light and the Kaiseress of Shireroth
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The State of Talenore is unconvinced. Your circumstantial evidence is flimsy at best, since this could very well be a ruse to make us believe that this Poldark character is not affiliated with Ergonia. Second, the last piece of evidence is null, since the person is using a proxy server to mask his real IP address. Therefore, Talenore will wait and see what action the government of Ergonia will take, since mere words are all we have noticed so far.
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Mr. Secretary-General,
It is evident to me, and to many throughout Micras, that Captain Poldark is not officially a resident of Ergonia or an official resident of that country. The Empire of the Alexandrians has undertaken its own investigation on the matter and we can conclude, although not with 100% certainty, that Mssr. Melanje is right. We cannot see Captain Poldark in any of the Ergonian citizenship rolls, nor do we see any sign or interaction in Ergonia's forums either the current ones or their former home in Mercury.
However, we stress that we cannot guarantee that Capt. Poldark isn't an Ergonian with 100% certainty. In these same forums, I have failed to see any official reactions, condemnations and orders from the Ergonian government or military to attempt to neutralize these rogue elements. I have failed to see any reaction at all by the Ergonian government other than Mssr. Melanje's statement here to the MTO.
Fellow delegates, it seems that now these rogue elements seek to destabilize the region. Many of us have a vested interest in keeping the area safe, in keeping international waters safe for shipping and trading. I ask the Ergonian government to take appropriate actions against these rogue elements, and that they clean up their own messes! Otherwise - there are plenty of nations here that won't have the issue of doing it, and perhaps sending the bill to Ergonia.
I yield.
It is evident to me, and to many throughout Micras, that Captain Poldark is not officially a resident of Ergonia or an official resident of that country. The Empire of the Alexandrians has undertaken its own investigation on the matter and we can conclude, although not with 100% certainty, that Mssr. Melanje is right. We cannot see Captain Poldark in any of the Ergonian citizenship rolls, nor do we see any sign or interaction in Ergonia's forums either the current ones or their former home in Mercury.
However, we stress that we cannot guarantee that Capt. Poldark isn't an Ergonian with 100% certainty. In these same forums, I have failed to see any official reactions, condemnations and orders from the Ergonian government or military to attempt to neutralize these rogue elements. I have failed to see any reaction at all by the Ergonian government other than Mssr. Melanje's statement here to the MTO.
Fellow delegates, it seems that now these rogue elements seek to destabilize the region. Many of us have a vested interest in keeping the area safe, in keeping international waters safe for shipping and trading. I ask the Ergonian government to take appropriate actions against these rogue elements, and that they clean up their own messes! Otherwise - there are plenty of nations here that won't have the issue of doing it, and perhaps sending the bill to Ergonia.
I yield.
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Mr. Secretary-General,
Strategically, Ergonia faces a number of threats now
due to the actions of the imposter on Bastion. The
imposter shows no signs of stopping, and certain large
nations have issued statements about mobilizations.
For this reason (OOC: and the reason that I don't have time to
deal with undoing what this person has done), Ergonia's
governing council has decided to simply disband the nation.
Regards,
Thadeus Lange Jr
Strategically, Ergonia faces a number of threats now
due to the actions of the imposter on Bastion. The
imposter shows no signs of stopping, and certain large
nations have issued statements about mobilizations.
For this reason (OOC: and the reason that I don't have time to
deal with undoing what this person has done), Ergonia's
governing council has decided to simply disband the nation.
Regards,
Thadeus Lange Jr
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Mr Secretary-General and delegates of the General Assembly,
Pontus, as a neutral party, firstly calls on all sides to engage in productive dialogue to find a peaceful and amicable solution to this issue. Whilst the disbanding of Ergonia may prove to be the end of the matter, Pontus would suggest a mutually-agreed representative of the MTO to conduct mediation should the situation continue and a solution not be forthcoming in the near future. Should such a move be necessary, an MTO mission would be supported by Pontus subject to conditions as deemed appropriate at the time.
Pontus, as a neutral party, firstly calls on all sides to engage in productive dialogue to find a peaceful and amicable solution to this issue. Whilst the disbanding of Ergonia may prove to be the end of the matter, Pontus would suggest a mutually-agreed representative of the MTO to conduct mediation should the situation continue and a solution not be forthcoming in the near future. Should such a move be necessary, an MTO mission would be supported by Pontus subject to conditions as deemed appropriate at the time.
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Mr. Secretary-General,
Captain Poldark has founded the Maritime Free Republic, classed by Talenore as a rogue nation. This entity is merely a front for his piracy activities. Therefore, we propose the formation of an MTO Mission to embargo and curtail the Maritime Free Republic until such a time as they have surrendered Captain Poldark on charges of war crimes and disbanded their piracy fleet.
Captain Poldark has founded the Maritime Free Republic, classed by Talenore as a rogue nation. This entity is merely a front for his piracy activities. Therefore, we propose the formation of an MTO Mission to embargo and curtail the Maritime Free Republic until such a time as they have surrendered Captain Poldark on charges of war crimes and disbanded their piracy fleet.
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The Holy Grand Empire of Jingdao does not echo the hasty comments by the representative from Talenore. We wish to make further inquiries first.
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Indeed.Malliki wrote:Mr. Secretary-General,
Captain Poldark has founded the Maritime Free Republic, classed by Talenore as a rogue nation. This entity is merely a front for his piracy activities. Therefore, we propose the formation of an MTO Mission to embargo and curtail the Maritime Free Republic until such a time as they have surrendered Captain Poldark on charges of war crimes and disbanded their piracy fleet.
Well, just take a look at their Articles of Governance & Association and one will notice that the President of Talenote is quite correct in his assessment.Jezza Rasmus wrote:The Holy Grand Empire of Jingdao does not echo the hasty comments by the representative from Talenore. We wish to make further inquiries first.
Harald Freyjugjöf the Generous Giver of the House of the Descendants of Freyja
High King of Stormark
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High King of Stormark
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I see nothing controversial in that document.
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I wish to observe to the Assembly and place on the record that I am disturbed at how a rogue individual's acts have resulted in the undoing of a nation.
I trust this does not become precedent.
The gentleman from Talenore invokes the Treaty and moves to form an MTO mission.
What is the pleasure of the assembly?
I trust this does not become precedent.
The gentleman from Talenore invokes the Treaty and moves to form an MTO mission.
What is the pleasure of the assembly?
Jaime Augusto Joaquin Primo de Aguilar, PC, GLH, GCNM, FSM
Governor and Castellan of Castlebourne Keep, Duchy of Anglien, Empire of the Alexandrians
Second Consul, Vice President of the Government, and Keeper of the Seals, Empire of the Alexandrians
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Pirate codes are, of course, quite the uncontroversial texts, aren't they?Jezza Rasmus wrote:I see nothing controversial in that document.
Harald Freyjugjöf the Generous Giver of the House of the Descendants of Freyja
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Can the honourable High King inform the Assembly why he considers this law a "pirate code", rather than a "law" as both the title and content suggest?High King Harald wrote:Pirate codes are, of course, quite the uncontroversial texts, aren't they?
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The Holy Grand Empire of Jingdao is willing to consider such a proposal. We do however warn that we will not support Talenore abusing the MTO for its own expansionist and imperialist policies at the expense of the people of the Maritime Free Republic.Primo de Aguilar wrote:The gentleman from Talenore invokes the Treaty and moves to form an MTO mission.