[Discussion] MTO Opinion on Genocide
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[Discussion] MTO Opinion on Genocide
The following Opinion is proposed to the General Assembly for weekly debate. MTO members are encouraged to add their proposals to the list for future debate.
As the Opinion was not officially proposed by any member, Delegates may suggest expanding, refining, and clarifying the text of this Opinion.The General Assembly of the Micras Treaty Organization condemns the practice of genocide.
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The People's Republic of Graecia would like to remain neutral on this opinion.
Althrough the basic liberties of the people are thoroughtly protectewd by the Communist ideologies and the Constitution, there are a set of people who would make every thing possible to harm the state and their surroundings. And even if shown the way of the collectivised perfect Communist life, even if they are punished the hardest of ways, they will not change. On such cases, the State has no option rather to clear itself from this obstacle on achieving growth.
Althrough the basic liberties of the people are thoroughtly protectewd by the Communist ideologies and the Constitution, there are a set of people who would make every thing possible to harm the state and their surroundings. And even if shown the way of the collectivised perfect Communist life, even if they are punished the hardest of ways, they will not change. On such cases, the State has no option rather to clear itself from this obstacle on achieving growth.
Eugene Friedriechsen, Premier and Eternal Leader of the People's Republic of Graecia, the foster of Micras Communism.
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Firstly, the word "genocide" needs to be defined specifically as removal of a specific ethnicity from a country by means of killing. Otherwise, it'll take on a slippery slope and members will repeatedly accuse one another of cultural, religious, linguistic, and other types of genocide solely for political purposes.
That said, the delegates from Ralgon agree with the Graecian representatives in that there are sometimes groups of people (sects, cults, and the like) that simply do not wish to live peacefully alongside their countryfolk. Therefore, they are regularly scattered, suppressed, or relocated to other places and the ones stirring up conflict given a quick pathway to the afterlife.
Therefore, we must vote NO to any sort of blanket measure and instead condemn such events on a case-by-case basis.
That said, the delegates from Ralgon agree with the Graecian representatives in that there are sometimes groups of people (sects, cults, and the like) that simply do not wish to live peacefully alongside their countryfolk. Therefore, they are regularly scattered, suppressed, or relocated to other places and the ones stirring up conflict given a quick pathway to the afterlife.
Therefore, we must vote NO to any sort of blanket measure and instead condemn such events on a case-by-case basis.
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Does the Ralgon Delegation wish to add "genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation" to the text of the Opinion?
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The Premier of the People's Republic of Graecia, the current temporary representative to the MTO, would like to clarify that, in his previous statement, he was reffering to a specific gene.
The Tarr people live mostly in the areas surrounding the Graecian capital, Salonigrad, and the second largest city, Ersoy. They live as parasites to the state, exploiting the advantages given to them by the communist ideals. They plunder the cities, making burglaries and participating on drug sale. They are often employed by the criminal organisations that want to destry the state as "low-ranking soldiers". They do not want to become a part of the unified Graecian culture, instead living inside small dirty huts, which normall citizens fear to approach.
A small number of them has been absorbed onto the Graecian identity; but most are like that. Nothing is worth preserving from their culture; Most are irreligious and speak a mysterious and unstudied creole language.
The state has tried to correct them by all means, but they have not changed. So, the only way of solving this is, unfortunately, preety harsh.
The Tarr people live mostly in the areas surrounding the Graecian capital, Salonigrad, and the second largest city, Ersoy. They live as parasites to the state, exploiting the advantages given to them by the communist ideals. They plunder the cities, making burglaries and participating on drug sale. They are often employed by the criminal organisations that want to destry the state as "low-ranking soldiers". They do not want to become a part of the unified Graecian culture, instead living inside small dirty huts, which normall citizens fear to approach.
A small number of them has been absorbed onto the Graecian identity; but most are like that. Nothing is worth preserving from their culture; Most are irreligious and speak a mysterious and unstudied creole language.
The state has tried to correct them by all means, but they have not changed. So, the only way of solving this is, unfortunately, preety harsh.
Eugene Friedriechsen, Premier and Eternal Leader of the People's Republic of Graecia, the foster of Micras Communism.
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The words from Graecia with regard to the Tarr people are objectionable. They incite violence against a specific nation, which, as far as Chryse is aware, is the agreed international definition of genocide. As a Benacian nation, Chryse knows too well what genocide is and what harms it brings upon the people.Eugene Friedriechsen wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:10 pmThe Premier of the People's Republic of Graecia, the current temporary representative to the MTO, would like to clarify that, in his previous statement, he was reffering to a specific gene.
The Tarr people live mostly in the areas surrounding the Graecian capital, Salonigrad, and the second largest city, Ersoy. They live as parasites to the state, exploiting the advantages given to them by the communist ideals. They plunder the cities, making burglaries and participating on drug sale. They are often employed by the criminal organisations that want to destry the state as "low-ranking soldiers". They do not want to become a part of the unified Graecian culture, instead living inside small dirty huts, which normall citizens fear to approach.
A small number of them has been absorbed onto the Graecian identity; but most are like that. Nothing is worth preserving from their culture; Most are irreligious and speak a mysterious and unstudied creole language.
The state has tried to correct them by all means, but they have not changed. So, the only way of solving this is, unfortunately, preety harsh.
It is clear to Chryse that Graecia and Ralgon opposes an MTO condemnation of genocide. As such, it is a waste of our resources to debate the adoption of this resolution. Let us use those resources instead to study the circumstances in Graecia and Ralgon that motivate their opposition to the most abominable of practices.
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On behalf of the free and sovereign peoples of Benacia, Elwynn advises that it is not presently possible to condemn the practice of genocide in view of the fact that the dispossession and eradication of the Froyalanish settler population of our continent was an essential part of the liberation struggle waged against the agents of Stormark. What was, on the eve of the Auspicious Occasion in 1651, a population of 60,393,726 was reduced by the year 1672 down to a registered population of 166,328 protected persons. By the commonly understood definition this was the greatest genocide ever recorded, yet it was also the single most virtuous act in our nation's long history, one for which we can neither accept nor tolerate ciriticism.
I propose then that the resolution be amended to read as follows:
I propose then that the resolution be amended to read as follows:
The General Assembly of the Micras Treaty Organization condemns the practice of genocide, the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation without due cause. Where a nation has embarked upon active measures against a population group within its borders it shall report this to the General Assembly so as to permit a debate as to whether the action is warranted or should be condemned as an unwarranted genocide.
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The People's Republic of Graecia would lean in endorsing the proposed amendmend by the Elwynnese state. Althourgh still containing a bit of vaguety, at least it will allow justice to prevail in theese extreme circumstances.
We would also like to note that the response of the Free City of Chryse was not expected. We want to point out to them this: History has shown us that many benefits we enjoy today were given to our world with a harsh way. Many times, the only way to destroy the obstacle that blocks the way to freedom and happines is to show your worst self. If theese new <<activistic>> ideals were followed from the start of history, bad things would have prevailed and our would would be 1000 times worse that it is now. Believe it or not, Graecia is less harsh than it should be.
Anyway, if the Free City of Chryse wishes so, we can trasfer to their lands the entirety of the non-absorbed Tarr people, and give them Chrysean citizenship. You will understand that the problem with them is unsolvable.
We would also like to note that the response of the Free City of Chryse was not expected. We want to point out to them this: History has shown us that many benefits we enjoy today were given to our world with a harsh way. Many times, the only way to destroy the obstacle that blocks the way to freedom and happines is to show your worst self. If theese new <<activistic>> ideals were followed from the start of history, bad things would have prevailed and our would would be 1000 times worse that it is now. Believe it or not, Graecia is less harsh than it should be.
Anyway, if the Free City of Chryse wishes so, we can trasfer to their lands the entirety of the non-absorbed Tarr people, and give them Chrysean citizenship. You will understand that the problem with them is unsolvable.
Eugene Friedriechsen, Premier and Eternal Leader of the People's Republic of Graecia, the foster of Micras Communism.
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Chryse really doesn't have the space for mass immigration, but if it is necessary to save the lives of the Tarr people, Chryse would like to take on discussions with Graecia on a transfer. We are sure that an appropriate deal can be made. Feel free to contact us, you know where to find us.Eugene Friedriechsen wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:34 pmThe People's Republic of Graecia would lean in endorsing the proposed amendmend by the Elwynnese state. Althourgh still containing a bit of vaguety, at least it will allow justice to prevail in theese extreme circumstances.
We would also like to note that the response of the Free City of Chryse was not expected. We want to point out to them this: History has shown us that many benefits we enjoy today were given to our world with a harsh way. Many times, the only way to destroy the obstacle that blocks the way to freedom and happines is to show your worst self. If theese new <<activistic>> ideals were followed from the start of history, bad things would have prevailed and our would would be 1000 times worse that it is now. Believe it or not, Graecia is less harsh than it should be.
Anyway, if the Free City of Chryse wishes so, we can trasfer to their lands the entirety of the non-absorbed Tarr people, and give them Chrysean citizenship. You will understand that the problem with them is unsolvable.
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Chryse is pleased to announce that Graecia and Chryse have agreed to a solution on the Tarr situation. We have concluded a treaty.
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I am extremely pleased at the conduct of the delegations of Chryse and Graecia, and such an exchange, in and of itself, is proof of the usefulness of the MTO as an international association.
Likewise, the Natopian Navy and Natopia's merchant marine (SATCo) offers any logistical support necessary to facilitate the safe, humane, and speedy transfer of the population of Tarr people to Chryse.
I welcome the motion of the Elwynnese delegation to amend the text of the opinion:
Likewise, the Natopian Navy and Natopia's merchant marine (SATCo) offers any logistical support necessary to facilitate the safe, humane, and speedy transfer of the population of Tarr people to Chryse.
I welcome the motion of the Elwynnese delegation to amend the text of the opinion:
The General Assembly of the Micras Treaty Organization condemns the practice of genocide, the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation without due cause. Where a nation has embarked upon active measures against a population group within its borders it shall report this to the General Assembly so as to permit a debate as to whether the action is warranted or should be condemned as an unwarranted genocide.
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The People's Republic of Graecia is happy to confirm that a treaty has indeed been signed between us and the Free City of Chryse. Also, as the honourable Chrysean delegate said, the Tarr people are currently been transferred to Chryse.
The Graecian State would also like to thank the Natopian State for their willingness in assisting to the transfer of the Tarr, however there is no need, as the Graecian Navy and the Chrysean authorities guarantee that the transer is proceeding humanly.
The Graecian State would also like to thank the Natopian State for their willingness in assisting to the transfer of the Tarr, however there is no need, as the Graecian Navy and the Chrysean authorities guarantee that the transer is proceeding humanly.
Eugene Friedriechsen, Premier and Eternal Leader of the People's Republic of Graecia, the foster of Micras Communism.
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The conversation here is truly disturbing.
The island that now serves as the location of Graecia was part of Caputia for many, many centuries. As the spiritual successor state of Caputia, Alduria-Wechua notes strenuously its concern for the population of the island of Ersoy, as it was known by Caputia.
It has been indicated to me by Chryste and their diplomats that the Tarr people are Skerrians and Dromosker peoples who moved onto the island after Caputia collapsed. Is this correct?
If any former Caputians are harmed by Graecia, then this matter will earn the involvement of Alduria-Wechua. I hope that will not be the case and look forward to a clarification on the matter.
The island that now serves as the location of Graecia was part of Caputia for many, many centuries. As the spiritual successor state of Caputia, Alduria-Wechua notes strenuously its concern for the population of the island of Ersoy, as it was known by Caputia.
It has been indicated to me by Chryste and their diplomats that the Tarr people are Skerrians and Dromosker peoples who moved onto the island after Caputia collapsed. Is this correct?
If any former Caputians are harmed by Graecia, then this matter will earn the involvement of Alduria-Wechua. I hope that will not be the case and look forward to a clarification on the matter.
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The People's Republic of Graecia feels highly saddened by the comments of the delegate for the Alduro-Wechuan federation. We did not expect such a comment from a "civilised" nation.
Caputia is long gone. Been it's spiritual sucessor does not mean that you have the right to criticise us just because we are a small bit of it's former land. Also, we would like to say that the Tarr migrated when Hamland collapsed, not when Caputia.
We did not felt unwell; it would be funny to do so. The only sad thing here is that the MTO is a place to solve international conflicts and muster co-operation; We are sad to tell this, but the MTO has failed miserably, given the fact that the A-W delegate wanted to stir up conflict and he was not warned. You would not like us do this thing; so please, be more carefull next time.
Anyway, the Tarr are now transferred to Chryse, they are Chrysean citizens. For further inquiries about them, please consult the Chrysean delegate.
One last thing: I say again that you have not the right to criticise us; even if you "intervene", the Graecian state will stop your efforts, them been diplomatic or war like. We have weak armed forces, but we believe in the Communist Ideals, are brave, have allies (Bassarids and Chryse), and do not fear the sickened forces of a capitalist system.
Further note: If the Alduro-Wechuan federation, or any other state, posts such a derogatory to Graecia comment again, we will take our measures. Even if they're harsh. And, from now on, please refer to our perfect homeland as Graecia Island.
Caputia is long gone. Been it's spiritual sucessor does not mean that you have the right to criticise us just because we are a small bit of it's former land. Also, we would like to say that the Tarr migrated when Hamland collapsed, not when Caputia.
We did not felt unwell; it would be funny to do so. The only sad thing here is that the MTO is a place to solve international conflicts and muster co-operation; We are sad to tell this, but the MTO has failed miserably, given the fact that the A-W delegate wanted to stir up conflict and he was not warned. You would not like us do this thing; so please, be more carefull next time.
Anyway, the Tarr are now transferred to Chryse, they are Chrysean citizens. For further inquiries about them, please consult the Chrysean delegate.
One last thing: I say again that you have not the right to criticise us; even if you "intervene", the Graecian state will stop your efforts, them been diplomatic or war like. We have weak armed forces, but we believe in the Communist Ideals, are brave, have allies (Bassarids and Chryse), and do not fear the sickened forces of a capitalist system.
Further note: If the Alduro-Wechuan federation, or any other state, posts such a derogatory to Graecia comment again, we will take our measures. Even if they're harsh. And, from now on, please refer to our perfect homeland as Graecia Island.
Eugene Friedriechsen, Premier and Eternal Leader of the People's Republic of Graecia, the foster of Micras Communism.
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Hamland became Caputia, sir. They are, in essence, the same thing, Hamland became Caputia after the Hammish Civil War brought the old Hammish state to an end and brought about Caputia. Please inform yourself of the history here. (OOC: I was the one who led Hamland during its last days and after when it became Caputia.)Eugene Friedriechsen wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:22 pmThe People's Republic of Graecia feels highly saddened by the comments of the delegate for the Alduro-Wechuan federation. We did not expect such a comment from a "civilised" nation.
Caputia is long gone. Been it's spiritual sucessor does not mean that you have the right to criticise us just because we are a small bit of it's former land. Also, we would like to say that the Tarr migrated when Hamland collapsed, not when Caputia.
We did not felt unwell; it would be funny to do so. The only sad thing here is that the MTO is a place to solve international conflicts and muster co-operation; We are sad to tell this, but the MTO has failed miserably, given the fact that the A-W delegate wanted to stir up conflict and he was not warned. You would not like us do this thing; so please, be more carefull next time.
Anyway, the Tarr are now transferred to Chryse, they are Chrysean citizens. For further inquiries about them, please consult the Chrysean delegate.
One last thing: I say again that you have not the right to criticise us; even if you "intervene", the Graecian state will stop your efforts, them been diplomatic or war like. We have weak armed forces, but we believe in the Communist Ideals, are brave, have allies (Bassarids and Chryse), and do not fear the sickened forces of a capitalist system.
Further note: If the Alduro-Wechuan federation, or any other state, posts such a derogatory to Graecia comment again, we will take our measures. Even if they're harsh. And, from now on, please refer to our perfect homeland as Graecia Island.
Our intentions when we said "intervene" meant to help reevacuate former Caputian citizens. I should have clarified, my apologies. I have no interest in conflict with Graecia. Just an interest in protecting Caputians, keeping the peace, and upholding human rights.
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