[Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
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Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
Fellow members of the Assembly,
If I am angry it is because my nation is being recklessly, falsely accused by a collective of nations who - according to their charter - are explicitly opposed to the interests and well being of my beloved homeland. Raspur and its constituent members are explicit adversaries of the Bassarids, and I am rightly angry that as such, they would levy such claims without a shred of evidence or legitimate reason. I would expect more from any credible adversaries. It is not that I am angry so much as I am deeply, fundamentally disappointed. My rivals have let me down.
In his hasty response the Raspurid accuser misrepresents the facts in several key ways. Before I refute his attempts to substantiate his baseless claims, however, let it be noted that the accuser now refers to information to which he was not privy when he initially made his allegations. He could not, when he first cited the possibility of an increase in Bassarid military forces, point to any numerical figures to support his claims. He could not do so because such figures were not available to him, nor to anyone else. The relevant information had simply not been provided at the time that the accusations were originally made, and for that reason alone, the claims are baseless. The accuser would not have any foundation for his most recent post had I not provided figures over the course of the past 48 hours. Now that figures have been courteously provided for the sake of transparency, he pretends that these figures support his argument, when in fact they do not. His willingness to excitedly point to figures which I have provided in the past 48 hours should highlight to all members the utter lack of merit behind these claims. I will, with all of this in mind, nevertheless address in good faith the most recent comments which have been uttered by the accuser.
With respect to the the Railway Archer Regiment, it should be noted that the accuser is comparing current figures to information which firstly, was published prior to even the outbreak of the War of Lost Brothers, and secondly, which is clearly demarcated as outdated and inaccurate. The current figures are different than the old figures precisely because the old figures are out of date, they are no longer accurate. It should be noted in addition that the actual number of Railway Archers in total is actually far, far greater than the mere 150,000 the accuser here refers to. The number which is referenced pertains only to the forces which have currently been activated for the purpose of defending Bassarid territorial holdings and shipping lanes in Eura alone, it does not account for the full expanse of the military force. The expansion of the Archer Regiments, furthermore, began long before the current conflict about which the accuser now whines - in the period between the War of Lost Brothers and today. The number of Duranian mine guards and automated mine guards - whose role and responsibility is clearly defined within the referenced brochures as "miscellaneous" - is also greater than the figure which has been indicated by the accuser. While he refers to the figures which are listed on the official table, the actual number is slightly higher (around 320 as of 38.40). This fact owes to the distinctive characteristics of the Bassarid market which are not accounted for by the accuser, which give rise to the existence of the Duranian mine guards. Indeed, it is the case that provided the idiosyncratic nature of the complex market upon which the Bassarid military force is based, it will often need to update the information reflecting the size of its forces, and it may not always do so in a terribly timely manner. If the esteemed members of this body would like clarification as to how the Bassarids calculate the respective units within their forces, I would be happy to clarify. All figures are a result of a precise albeit constantly evolving and adapting process. I can assure you that if there is any impression of inconsistency, such impressions can be readily rectified if only a request is made. If such a request is not issued, I cannot be faulted for any confusion or misinterpretations which may arise, such as those which are reflected in the accuser's most recent comment.
The position of the Bassarids is that the Raspurids have, in order to attempt to justify their allegations which they could not and did not substantiate in the first place, attempt to save face by knowingly and willfully misrepresenting the economic and cultural idiosyncrasies which give rise to the structure and organization of the New Zimian War League. Not only does the information which they have provided not substantiate their original claims, it also highlights their misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation of the Bassarid nation and its institutions. The Bassarids to this end, will continue to reject the appeals of the Raspurid alliance, and will instead offer the suggestion that they should, with the support of the MTO, work to bring about a peaceful end to the senseless war which they themselves have started.
If I am angry it is because my nation is being recklessly, falsely accused by a collective of nations who - according to their charter - are explicitly opposed to the interests and well being of my beloved homeland. Raspur and its constituent members are explicit adversaries of the Bassarids, and I am rightly angry that as such, they would levy such claims without a shred of evidence or legitimate reason. I would expect more from any credible adversaries. It is not that I am angry so much as I am deeply, fundamentally disappointed. My rivals have let me down.
In his hasty response the Raspurid accuser misrepresents the facts in several key ways. Before I refute his attempts to substantiate his baseless claims, however, let it be noted that the accuser now refers to information to which he was not privy when he initially made his allegations. He could not, when he first cited the possibility of an increase in Bassarid military forces, point to any numerical figures to support his claims. He could not do so because such figures were not available to him, nor to anyone else. The relevant information had simply not been provided at the time that the accusations were originally made, and for that reason alone, the claims are baseless. The accuser would not have any foundation for his most recent post had I not provided figures over the course of the past 48 hours. Now that figures have been courteously provided for the sake of transparency, he pretends that these figures support his argument, when in fact they do not. His willingness to excitedly point to figures which I have provided in the past 48 hours should highlight to all members the utter lack of merit behind these claims. I will, with all of this in mind, nevertheless address in good faith the most recent comments which have been uttered by the accuser.
With respect to the the Railway Archer Regiment, it should be noted that the accuser is comparing current figures to information which firstly, was published prior to even the outbreak of the War of Lost Brothers, and secondly, which is clearly demarcated as outdated and inaccurate. The current figures are different than the old figures precisely because the old figures are out of date, they are no longer accurate. It should be noted in addition that the actual number of Railway Archers in total is actually far, far greater than the mere 150,000 the accuser here refers to. The number which is referenced pertains only to the forces which have currently been activated for the purpose of defending Bassarid territorial holdings and shipping lanes in Eura alone, it does not account for the full expanse of the military force. The expansion of the Archer Regiments, furthermore, began long before the current conflict about which the accuser now whines - in the period between the War of Lost Brothers and today. The number of Duranian mine guards and automated mine guards - whose role and responsibility is clearly defined within the referenced brochures as "miscellaneous" - is also greater than the figure which has been indicated by the accuser. While he refers to the figures which are listed on the official table, the actual number is slightly higher (around 320 as of 38.40). This fact owes to the distinctive characteristics of the Bassarid market which are not accounted for by the accuser, which give rise to the existence of the Duranian mine guards. Indeed, it is the case that provided the idiosyncratic nature of the complex market upon which the Bassarid military force is based, it will often need to update the information reflecting the size of its forces, and it may not always do so in a terribly timely manner. If the esteemed members of this body would like clarification as to how the Bassarids calculate the respective units within their forces, I would be happy to clarify. All figures are a result of a precise albeit constantly evolving and adapting process. I can assure you that if there is any impression of inconsistency, such impressions can be readily rectified if only a request is made. If such a request is not issued, I cannot be faulted for any confusion or misinterpretations which may arise, such as those which are reflected in the accuser's most recent comment.
The position of the Bassarids is that the Raspurids have, in order to attempt to justify their allegations which they could not and did not substantiate in the first place, attempt to save face by knowingly and willfully misrepresenting the economic and cultural idiosyncrasies which give rise to the structure and organization of the New Zimian War League. Not only does the information which they have provided not substantiate their original claims, it also highlights their misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation of the Bassarid nation and its institutions. The Bassarids to this end, will continue to reject the appeals of the Raspurid alliance, and will instead offer the suggestion that they should, with the support of the MTO, work to bring about a peaceful end to the senseless war which they themselves have started.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
Mister Secretary-General, fellow delegates,
The fact remains that, even with far better access to the true figures of the New Zimian War League rather than the garbled accounts released to bemuse and incite the neighbours, the Bassarid representative is unable to give a coherent or convincing account as to the disposition of his forces. Concerning the railway archers, we did not deny that there might be more of them elsewhere - we observed that more of them were now deployed on the Euran continent than were previously deployed in total across three continents. The Duranian mine guards and automated mine guards may well be designated as "miscellaneous" as regards their role and responsibility, but as they are Duranian mine guards, their role and responsibility must be somewhat fixed to the guarding of mines on the Duranian plateau. That these expanded forces have themselves been supplemented by an army group on the Duranian plateau and in the Gulf of Zinjibar drives our concerns, and the response given thus far does nothing to reassure.
But if the Bassarid delegate is offering explain the disposition, and the methodology for their force calculations, then we would would welcome it, as we have previously suggested and invited him to do so.
As things presently stand it is incontestable that a significant build up of Bassarid forces has occurred:
Euran Division (Pre-1663)
1st Line Infantry: 27,509
2nd Line Infantry: 24,521
Eurani Leagues I-IV (1666)
Special Forces: 168,540
1st Line Infantry: 162,470
2nd Line Infantry: 150,524
Reservists: 378,160
Registered Agents: 3,363
A 1,659% increase in headcount, from 52,030 active personnel to 863,057 men and women under arms, is not a quirk of some esoteric economic system, it is a deliberate theatre level mobilisation. If the Bassarid denies this then the Bassarid denies the veracity of the Bassarid Empire's own accounts. Where the Bassarid delegate claims that we would have no basis for our concerns except on the information provided from Bassarid sources does he not recollect that it was the publication of those figures which first prompted our concerns. Contrary to what he suggests, the Bassarid did not bring new numbers to the table but rather set out an inferred table of organisation and equipment where the entries for the original Eurani League have now been duplicated exactly into each subsequent league/army group. This is either disinformation or bad record keeping. The situation therefore remains unchanged; the evidence provided by the returns of the New Zimian War League are the basis of our concerns and the reason why we have brought this matter to the attention of the General Assembly.
But as said previously, if our fears are groundless and a concise explanation of the Bassarid methodology would be sufficient to allay our fears, we would of course welcome it. As Iteru is not a member of the MTO we appreciate the neutrality of the organisation and in its members in regards to the present conflict and we hope, with the clarification we are seeking through this debate, that the de facto peace between the Raspur Pact and the Bassarid Empire on the Euran continent can be maintained. Where the Bassarid representative accuses the Raspur Pact of being explicitly opposed to its interests we should remind the General Assembly that it is the disgraceful conduct of the Bassarid Empire, supporting piracy, extortion at sea, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and waging active campaigns of subversion and terror, which informs and drives that justified hostility. Should such unreasonable behaviour end, so to would our opposition to the Bassarid Empire and its Stripping Path religion. For the time being however, all we seek is clarification that the "Duranian Heartland Group" is not poised on our frontiers and that the garrisons maintained by the Bassairds in the green are drawn down to the minimum necessary to maintain their economic interests.
The fact remains that, even with far better access to the true figures of the New Zimian War League rather than the garbled accounts released to bemuse and incite the neighbours, the Bassarid representative is unable to give a coherent or convincing account as to the disposition of his forces. Concerning the railway archers, we did not deny that there might be more of them elsewhere - we observed that more of them were now deployed on the Euran continent than were previously deployed in total across three continents. The Duranian mine guards and automated mine guards may well be designated as "miscellaneous" as regards their role and responsibility, but as they are Duranian mine guards, their role and responsibility must be somewhat fixed to the guarding of mines on the Duranian plateau. That these expanded forces have themselves been supplemented by an army group on the Duranian plateau and in the Gulf of Zinjibar drives our concerns, and the response given thus far does nothing to reassure.
But if the Bassarid delegate is offering explain the disposition, and the methodology for their force calculations, then we would would welcome it, as we have previously suggested and invited him to do so.
As things presently stand it is incontestable that a significant build up of Bassarid forces has occurred:
Euran Division (Pre-1663)
1st Line Infantry: 27,509
2nd Line Infantry: 24,521
Eurani Leagues I-IV (1666)
Special Forces: 168,540
1st Line Infantry: 162,470
2nd Line Infantry: 150,524
Reservists: 378,160
Registered Agents: 3,363
A 1,659% increase in headcount, from 52,030 active personnel to 863,057 men and women under arms, is not a quirk of some esoteric economic system, it is a deliberate theatre level mobilisation. If the Bassarid denies this then the Bassarid denies the veracity of the Bassarid Empire's own accounts. Where the Bassarid delegate claims that we would have no basis for our concerns except on the information provided from Bassarid sources does he not recollect that it was the publication of those figures which first prompted our concerns. Contrary to what he suggests, the Bassarid did not bring new numbers to the table but rather set out an inferred table of organisation and equipment where the entries for the original Eurani League have now been duplicated exactly into each subsequent league/army group. This is either disinformation or bad record keeping. The situation therefore remains unchanged; the evidence provided by the returns of the New Zimian War League are the basis of our concerns and the reason why we have brought this matter to the attention of the General Assembly.
But as said previously, if our fears are groundless and a concise explanation of the Bassarid methodology would be sufficient to allay our fears, we would of course welcome it. As Iteru is not a member of the MTO we appreciate the neutrality of the organisation and in its members in regards to the present conflict and we hope, with the clarification we are seeking through this debate, that the de facto peace between the Raspur Pact and the Bassarid Empire on the Euran continent can be maintained. Where the Bassarid representative accuses the Raspur Pact of being explicitly opposed to its interests we should remind the General Assembly that it is the disgraceful conduct of the Bassarid Empire, supporting piracy, extortion at sea, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and waging active campaigns of subversion and terror, which informs and drives that justified hostility. Should such unreasonable behaviour end, so to would our opposition to the Bassarid Empire and its Stripping Path religion. For the time being however, all we seek is clarification that the "Duranian Heartland Group" is not poised on our frontiers and that the garrisons maintained by the Bassairds in the green are drawn down to the minimum necessary to maintain their economic interests.
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Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
Fellow delegates,
If you wish for a convincing account regarding the disposition of Bassarid forces, there is no more simple and straightforward an answer than that the New Zimian War League has in the years since the outbreak of the War of Lost Brothers, expanded and streamlined the scope of its forces, as have presumably all other nations who participated in that conflict save for the Florian Republic. The New Zimian War League is much larger and comprehensive in its scope than it was in the first year mentioned by the accuser, not only in Eura, but in every other place where it maintains political, economic, social, and military interests. The New Zimian War League is an expansive fighting force which has grown since the War of Lost Brothers in every single respect. In order to highlight this fact, the delegates should consider that the accuser now compares this table to this one.
Regarding the first of these tables -the one which outlines the "Eura Division" on the outdated page entitled Pre-37.80 - it is worth making a few important notes. First and most importantly, it is essential to bear in mind that the Eura Division listed on this page does not even represent a specific fighting force. What that table actually shows is the size of the total military force which was supported by Eurani investment in the military-industrial complex at that time. In other words, it shows the percentage of the total New Zimian War League which was supported by the financial contributions of the Eastern Eura Trade Association. The soldiers and weaponry listed in that table could theoretically have been called up to fight anywhere - they were not actually obligated or attached to Eura save for Eura's financial backing. In contrast to this, the information provided in the table entitled "Eurani League I" absolutely does represent a defined fighting force which is explicitly attached to Eura. The two tables simply represent different sets of information: the first is more of a financial statement, the second is in fact a listing of a cohesive, defined force. For the record, the nature of the first table is articulated at the top of the section in which it is listed:
Edit: This conversation has prompted me to review the way in which I calculate certain forces, and I have in fact realized that I have in fact been duplicating certain figures. Namely, it is the case that I was inadvertently double counting the types of bows at my disposal. This is an accounting error which I will now amend.
If you wish for a convincing account regarding the disposition of Bassarid forces, there is no more simple and straightforward an answer than that the New Zimian War League has in the years since the outbreak of the War of Lost Brothers, expanded and streamlined the scope of its forces, as have presumably all other nations who participated in that conflict save for the Florian Republic. The New Zimian War League is much larger and comprehensive in its scope than it was in the first year mentioned by the accuser, not only in Eura, but in every other place where it maintains political, economic, social, and military interests. The New Zimian War League is an expansive fighting force which has grown since the War of Lost Brothers in every single respect. In order to highlight this fact, the delegates should consider that the accuser now compares this table to this one.
Regarding the first of these tables -the one which outlines the "Eura Division" on the outdated page entitled Pre-37.80 - it is worth making a few important notes. First and most importantly, it is essential to bear in mind that the Eura Division listed on this page does not even represent a specific fighting force. What that table actually shows is the size of the total military force which was supported by Eurani investment in the military-industrial complex at that time. In other words, it shows the percentage of the total New Zimian War League which was supported by the financial contributions of the Eastern Eura Trade Association. The soldiers and weaponry listed in that table could theoretically have been called up to fight anywhere - they were not actually obligated or attached to Eura save for Eura's financial backing. In contrast to this, the information provided in the table entitled "Eurani League I" absolutely does represent a defined fighting force which is explicitly attached to Eura. The two tables simply represent different sets of information: the first is more of a financial statement, the second is in fact a listing of a cohesive, defined force. For the record, the nature of the first table is articulated at the top of the section in which it is listed:
With all of this said, the disparity in the size of the two forces can immediately be explained by the fact that the two different tables which have been referenced, are not actually comparable. They represent two entirely different sets of information. This is neither dishonest, nor is it an example of bad record keeping. More to the point, it is a matter of the accuser having failed to review the context of the two different documents which he now attempts to misrepresent. While it is the case that the New Zimian War League has in all respects absolutely streamlined and expanded its military forces in the period since the War of Lost Brothers, the data which the accuser has presented does not substantiate his allegations in the manner which he believes, or in any other manner. Once again, it is clear that the accuser acts from a place of misunderstanding and malice rather than from a position of desiring to reach any kind of actual resolution in any sense.The Grand Army is divided into several Grand Divisions, or Divisions which are groups of soldiers and arms representing "sponsors," or investors in the Shirley Stock Fund or other similar companies. Like their naval analogues, the units contained within a given "Grand Division" may not actually be grouped together in combat regiments.
Edit: This conversation has prompted me to review the way in which I calculate certain forces, and I have in fact realized that I have in fact been duplicating certain figures. Namely, it is the case that I was inadvertently double counting the types of bows at my disposal. This is an accounting error which I will now amend.
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Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
The Jingdaoese Empire fully supports the Bassarid Empire's right to station troops in the territories it controls. We have the full confidence that our allies are only building up forces to defend themselves and their assets, as long as the Raspurids stay in their own territory they have nothing to fear but the radiation and the scorpions.
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Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
The Bassarids wish to highlight that the Raspur Pact has now attacked, without provocation or warning, a location in which Bassarid forces are openly and transparently engaged in peace keeping operations. Fortunately the scope and effectiveness of the attack were limited, and no Bassarid forces were hurt. The point still stands, however, that the Raspurids, after levying false and unwarranted allegations, have now engaged in active military operations which threaten Bassarid security, and which undermine the diplomatic norms associated with this institution. This attack was carried out by the Raspurids in spite of knowledge that the Bassarids had deployed troops into Vey, and without the warning which would allow Bassarid forces to adequately prepare. This, in the opinion of the Bassarids, is a far more egregious violation of diplomatic and political norms than anything of which the Bassarids are being accused. The MTO must condemn this attack.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
The Florian condemns any violence and calls for the violence to stop immediately.
Re: [Debate] Duranian Plateau, Eura
In order to reach a conclusion to this dialogue, I exhort the member states to put forward resolutions that speak to the MTO's sense and opinion on the matter here discussed.
Debate continues.
Debate continues.
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