[Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
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[Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
The General Assembly will now come to order.
I would like to present to the member nations and their representatives the Library of the Micras Treaty Organization.
My hope is that this forum will serve as a place for member states to deposit their instruments of ratification for any and all Micras Treaty Organization treaties, whether it is the General Membership Treaty or any and all ancillary or supporting MTO treaties. This forum could also serve for any Micran nation to deposit any public instruments of ratification should a neutral ground be needed for them to do so. This can be a service that can make the MTO more relevant to Micran needs.
In that forum, I have started to create several threads where I have begun the work to update the membership lists, along with a list of signatories for all the MTO treaties and agreements (and a tracker for any amendments made to them). It is my hope that future leaders of this organization will continue to keep them updated after my time in the Secretariat has ended.
I kindly request help from the member states on a few things:
1. Would each member state take a look at the MTO ancillary treaties and agreements and inform me of which ones your nation is a signatory to?
2. Would each member state take a look at the MTO ancillary treaties and agreements and provide your opinion as to how they should be amended or improved? I see there are a lot of references to the "Small Commonwealth", which is the old name of this organization - that will definitely need to be amended, for instance.
3. Would each member also take the time to provide any ideas or thoughts as to what new agreements or treaties could be added or drafted as MTO ancillary/additional treaties? It's important that we try to do our best to meet the needs of our members.
Debate continues.
I would like to present to the member nations and their representatives the Library of the Micras Treaty Organization.
My hope is that this forum will serve as a place for member states to deposit their instruments of ratification for any and all Micras Treaty Organization treaties, whether it is the General Membership Treaty or any and all ancillary or supporting MTO treaties. This forum could also serve for any Micran nation to deposit any public instruments of ratification should a neutral ground be needed for them to do so. This can be a service that can make the MTO more relevant to Micran needs.
In that forum, I have started to create several threads where I have begun the work to update the membership lists, along with a list of signatories for all the MTO treaties and agreements (and a tracker for any amendments made to them). It is my hope that future leaders of this organization will continue to keep them updated after my time in the Secretariat has ended.
I kindly request help from the member states on a few things:
1. Would each member state take a look at the MTO ancillary treaties and agreements and inform me of which ones your nation is a signatory to?
2. Would each member state take a look at the MTO ancillary treaties and agreements and provide your opinion as to how they should be amended or improved? I see there are a lot of references to the "Small Commonwealth", which is the old name of this organization - that will definitely need to be amended, for instance.
3. Would each member also take the time to provide any ideas or thoughts as to what new agreements or treaties could be added or drafted as MTO ancillary/additional treaties? It's important that we try to do our best to meet the needs of our members.
Debate continues.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
The Jingdaoese Empire remains a signatory to the Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons and the Small Treaty of Non-Aggression. We also advise that the Convention on the Laws of the Sea is a shameful document that was only drafted to diminish the sovereign rights of our empire and should be removed from the books.
Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
Thank you for your input.Rasmus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:58 pmThe Jingdaoese Empire remains a signatory to the Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons and the Small Treaty of Non-Aggression. We also advise that the Convention on the Laws of the Sea is a shameful document that was only drafted to diminish the sovereign rights of our empire and should be removed from the books.
I should note that the Convention on the Laws of the Sea only applies to a nation if that nation is a signatory. If the nation of Jingdao is not a party to that Treaty, it is not affected by it. That is the same case for the rest of the MTO ancillary treaties. Think of it as a buffet where a nation can pick treaties and agreements it likes and ignores those it doesn't.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
*dons the fez*
Raspur is party to none of these agreements and adds the following (OOC) observations:
Shireroth considers itself only to be party to the Convention on the Laws of the Seas. Small Commonwealth treaties inherited by the MTO have, in the opinion of the Imperial Republic, largely lapsed through being manifestly unused in the years since their inception.
Raspur is party to none of these agreements and adds the following (OOC) observations:
*removes the fez*
- Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons - became obsolete about the time when broadband replaced dial-up
- Small Treaty of Non-Aggression - doubtful utility
- The Small, Rational Mutual Defense Treaty - doubtful utility
- Small Commonwealth Ongoing recWar League Treaty - obsolete, SCOWL fell into disuse long ago
Shireroth considers itself only to be party to the Convention on the Laws of the Seas. Small Commonwealth treaties inherited by the MTO have, in the opinion of the Imperial Republic, largely lapsed through being manifestly unused in the years since their inception.
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
What is the benefit of signing it then?Edgard wrote: ↑Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:48 pmThank you for your input.
I should note that the Convention on the Laws of the Sea only applies to a nation if that nation is a signatory. If the nation of Jingdao is not a party to that Treaty, it is not affected by it. That is the same case for the rest of the MTO ancillary treaties. Think of it as a buffet where a nation can pick treaties and agreements it likes and ignores those it doesn't.
Debate continues.
Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
It serves as a common framework among the signatories on the laws of the sea and on which bodies of water are considered international waters... among other things.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
Natopia is a party to:
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons
Small Treaty of Non-Aggression
Micras Intellectual Property Protection Act
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission
Convention on the Laws of the Seas
My personal opinions as Natopian delegate and a former MTO SecGen:
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons - Could be reworked in such a way to prevent the posting of unsavory and unwanted content, since there are no spam cannons anymore.
Small Treaty of Non-Aggression - It is a nice sentiment, but has never really been used. It's kinda useless because members can leave and declare war on the same day.
Micras Intellectual Property Protection Act - A good idea if given teeth and used. A lot of disagreements lately about appropriate use of other people's intellectual property, what counts as personal intellectual property and what should belong to the community for collaboration and maintaining history and keeping the "permanence" of Micras, which is its most appealing feature.
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission - Should probably be scrapped.
Convention on the Laws of the Seas - A useful tool for enhancing the simulation of those nations that want to have increased "real world" interactions with the rest of Micras. It's modeled almost entirely off of the real UN CLS, so I don't know how much to improve it.
Convention on the Establishment of a Commonwealth Court - Probably won't ever be used unless it is given more universal jurisdiction. It could, perhaps, be allowed to rule, or issue non-binding opinions, on international disputes where only one party is signatory.
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons
Small Treaty of Non-Aggression
Micras Intellectual Property Protection Act
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission
Convention on the Laws of the Seas
My personal opinions as Natopian delegate and a former MTO SecGen:
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons - Could be reworked in such a way to prevent the posting of unsavory and unwanted content, since there are no spam cannons anymore.
Small Treaty of Non-Aggression - It is a nice sentiment, but has never really been used. It's kinda useless because members can leave and declare war on the same day.
Micras Intellectual Property Protection Act - A good idea if given teeth and used. A lot of disagreements lately about appropriate use of other people's intellectual property, what counts as personal intellectual property and what should belong to the community for collaboration and maintaining history and keeping the "permanence" of Micras, which is its most appealing feature.
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission - Should probably be scrapped.
Convention on the Laws of the Seas - A useful tool for enhancing the simulation of those nations that want to have increased "real world" interactions with the rest of Micras. It's modeled almost entirely off of the real UN CLS, so I don't know how much to improve it.
Convention on the Establishment of a Commonwealth Court - Probably won't ever be used unless it is given more universal jurisdiction. It could, perhaps, be allowed to rule, or issue non-binding opinions, on international disputes where only one party is signatory.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
Çeridgul is currently a party to none of the ancillary treaties.
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons: Nate's proposal for this is promising. An alternative direction to take this - or possibly an entirely different treaty - might be an entirely IC equivalent, against weapons of mass destruction, such as nukes, orbital kinetic weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, etc.
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission: I agree this one should probably be scrapped. I assume it's another artifact of the Small Commonwealth days, intended to provide a layer for political integration in contrast to that of the Grand Commonwealth, but if a nation wanted to engage in that kind of sovereignty-ceding nowadays, they'd probably rather do it with selected partners rather than just whoever happened to sign the treaty.
Small Convention on Forum Based Weapons: Nate's proposal for this is promising. An alternative direction to take this - or possibly an entirely different treaty - might be an entirely IC equivalent, against weapons of mass destruction, such as nukes, orbital kinetic weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, etc.
Treaty to Establish the Intermicronational Commission: I agree this one should probably be scrapped. I assume it's another artifact of the Small Commonwealth days, intended to provide a layer for political integration in contrast to that of the Grand Commonwealth, but if a nation wanted to engage in that kind of sovereignty-ceding nowadays, they'd probably rather do it with selected partners rather than just whoever happened to sign the treaty.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
On this point, I would like to offer the Zalae Convention on Biological Weapons for consideration. Caputia, Constancia, Craitland, Natopia, the Wechua Nation, Shireroth, Jingdao, Eklesia, and Raspur have signed this convention. Perhaps this could be integrated into the MTO agreements - if people find it useful, of course.Shyriath wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:39 amSmall Convention on Forum Based Weapons: Nate's proposal for this is promising. An alternative direction to take this - or possibly an entirely different treaty - might be an entirely IC equivalent, against weapons of mass destruction, such as nukes, orbital kinetic weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, etc.
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Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
Could you please substantiate your claim that Jingdao has signed that convention?Edgard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:22 pmOn this point, I would like to offer the Zalae Convention on Biological Weapons for consideration. Caputia, Constancia, Craitland, Natopia, the Wechua Nation, Shireroth, Jingdao, Eklesia, and Raspur have signed this convention. Perhaps this could be integrated into the MTO agreements - if people find it useful, of course.Shyriath wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:39 amSmall Convention on Forum Based Weapons: Nate's proposal for this is promising. An alternative direction to take this - or possibly an entirely different treaty - might be an entirely IC equivalent, against weapons of mass destruction, such as nukes, orbital kinetic weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, etc.
Re: [Dialogue] MTO Ancillary/Additional Treaties and Agreements
My apologies, I stand corrected. Jingdao has not signed that agreement. (Source.)
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