Proposal Regarding Data Corrections
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Perhaps the system could be assigned a standard "start time", from which the planets' positions at any given moment could be calculated by time elapsed.
Perhaps the system could be assigned a standard "start time", from which the planets' positions at any given moment could be calculated by time elapsed.
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I agree, though I'm not sure of the best way to go about it. Wouldn't we need to agree on a standard calendar system for Micras? I imagine that in order to determine the position of the planets at any given time, we'd have to adopt a standard progression of time. The closest we have right now is ASC, which is of course much too fast for something like this.
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I propose a start time of 2000-12-28T00:00:00+00:00 -- according to MicrasWiki, on that date was the Micronational Cartography Society founded.
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That sounds like a natural date, if it's the correct date for the organization's establishment. That would put us in the year 30.185, wouldn't it?
Regarding the table I posted, I'd like to point out that Momiji's Semi-Major Axis represents its distance from Indigo, while its Periapsis and Apoapsis represent its distance from Atos. This is obviously not an ideal representation, but I couldn't get it to work any other way. Plateau's numbers, as well, represent a position which began relative to Indigo, rather than to Atos. Plateau ended up at its current position after leaving Indigo's orbit.
Regarding the table I posted, I'd like to point out that Momiji's Semi-Major Axis represents its distance from Indigo, while its Periapsis and Apoapsis represent its distance from Atos. This is obviously not an ideal representation, but I couldn't get it to work any other way. Plateau's numbers, as well, represent a position which began relative to Indigo, rather than to Atos. Plateau ended up at its current position after leaving Indigo's orbit.
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The numbers for Plateau would probably have to be corrected then, as it's supposed to be a satellite of the Indigo/Momiji system. Can it move further out?
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I've tried moving it closer, and further, and each time it has roughly the same outcome one way or the other. I will say, however, that the orbits of Plateau and Indigo+Momiji do intersect at at least two points, at any given time. Assuming that they ever end up at, or near, either of these two intersecting points at roughly the same time, it's possible that Plateau could be again pulled into orbit around Indigo and Momiji. Plateau can't be completely ruled out as an irregular moon of the dual-planet. Here is what I mean:
http://i.imgur.com/AlSTiqr.png
The idea is that when Momiji is at its longest orbit, Indigo is at its shortest orbit. When Indigo is at its shortest orbit, its orbital path actually intersects, and comes inside the orbital path of Plateau. This is indicated by the two white stars on the image above. When this happens, if the positions of the planets are just so, it seems conceivable that Plateau would be pulled back into orbit. That said, it is entirely possible that the original planetary data was recorded shortly after such an occurrence.
http://i.imgur.com/AlSTiqr.png
The idea is that when Momiji is at its longest orbit, Indigo is at its shortest orbit. When Indigo is at its shortest orbit, its orbital path actually intersects, and comes inside the orbital path of Plateau. This is indicated by the two white stars on the image above. When this happens, if the positions of the planets are just so, it seems conceivable that Plateau would be pulled back into orbit. That said, it is entirely possible that the original planetary data was recorded shortly after such an occurrence.
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I think the orbit of Plateu would have to be quite far outside of the binary planet system, so that it essentially orbits the barycenter without being too heavily influenced by either of the two planets.
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Do you have any suggestions for specific figures that I might test? I have been trying various arrangements, and thus far I haven't been able to reproduce any success. In my opinion, it is very unlikely that the Indigo system can support multiple moons.
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Why not just put greater distance between the individual orbits?
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It's a matter of figuring out the correct distances. There is an extremely narrow range of distances in which this system can actually function, and the task is to figure out where that range lies.
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It seems that the Indigo system can function as intended if the moons both orbit only one of the planets, rather than both of them. Right now I'm running a working simulation where Ivory orbits Momiji, and Plateau orbits Indigo. Would this be an acceptable arrangement?
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Can we use something similar in scale to the Pluto/Charon system?
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I think that such a system could be feasible. I'll test it. If it works then I will go ahead and update the table.
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I have updated the table so that Plateau appears as a moon of Indigo, and Ivory appears as a moon of Momiji. Note that Momiji's semi-major axis and etc... are relative to Atos, not Indigo. I couldn't help this, but it's not that big of a deal. Momiji's semi-major axis relative to Indigo is around 177,666 km, or twice the figure posted by Joe in his table.
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