An actual discussion: recwars
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I organised some arms smuggling as well but a lot of that was carried out via PMs and seemingly lost.
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Yakonda reports
« Sent to: extreme007 on: Today at 08:36:49 »
Several hours after Dandinga's breakout attempt, Yakonda radios to say that the fighting has died down. There is no word from Dandinga on the radio even though he had planned to call if he made it through.
Yakonda now reports that losses were heavy during Dandinga's breakout attempt and the subsequent fighting. Yakonda now expresses contempt for Dandinga as "an idiot who refused to face the bitter truth." Yakonda also says that now that Dandinga is gone, Yakonda has taken command of all the surrounded forces who remain.
He also reports that several men on the Zindarian side who speak Itini called out for the rebels to surrender after the fighting died down again. Yakonda refused, but now they are calling on individual warriors to surrender on their own. Some of them have given in and surrendered. Yakonda does not know how many, but he thinks it might have been several hundred.
He does not know how many men he has left, but morale is low, there is no food, there is no water, they have some ammo they captured, but it is only a few dozen bullets for the whole army. The rest were used up during the fighting. There are at least five hundred men who are badly wounded. Every hour that passes, some of them die. There are only five infiltrators left. A few camouflage uniforms were captured.
Yakonda says he sees no way out. Either they must be rescued or they cannot keep holding out much longer. He says he thinks that if the enemy attacks just one or two more times, that they will be finished whether they surrender or not.
The quotes within quotes are my PM comments that I sent him in response to the breakout.[/quote]
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Zindaria Recwar
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: January 17, 2008, 07:55 AM »
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Ardy,
Thank you very much for taking the time to read the ZRS rules and for your comments.
We would very much like to have a recwar to try out these new rules. As you know, Alexandria, Riponia and Adraisia have said they have troops in the Goloni Protectorate in addition to our own troops. Since they are not all on the same side, it would seem we have everything we need for a recwar. The Adraisians have been reluctant to agree to one, but, as I said in a previous public post, we are in the unusual situation that we could have the recwar without their permission.
We could make micronational history by forcing a micronation to give up territory that everyone currently acknowledges they hold (southern Goloni and part of the central interior) without their consent by means of a recwar. With the ZRS rules, we can disregard their posts, if any, as propaganda, have an arbitrator verify casualties and a forced withdrawal of Adraisian troops (assuming we win) and the GSO map will reflect our victory merely by remaining unchanged. To top it all off, we can request a change to the map to show our administrative capital of the territory at its correct location at Fort Riposte rather than the erroneously labelled "Dolphin Bay". That would further validate a victory, assuming we win.
If we don't win, we are prepared to give up part of the Goloni Protectorate. We would even consider risking the entire protectorate and our homeland.
Our main problem at this point is that it will be much, much more fun if the Adraisians actually fight back and have some chance of victory. If the Adraisians won't fight, we need another enemy. It is my understanding that Babkha has so far aligned itself with us and we appreciate that very much.
If you would like to see how the ZRS recwar rules work in practice, please assist us in organizing this recwar. Perhaps you could sway the Adraisians to agree to participate. Perhaps you know who might be willing to ally with them. I hesitate to mention this, but it might be very much in character for Babkha to assist the rebellious Goloni tribesmen at Itini-nada. Maybe Babkha would like to have that territory for itself. Perhaps you could arrive in the guise of allies and then pull a classic Babkhan betrayal. We don't care. No hard feelings (except in-character). What we really want out of this is not necessarily to kick out the Adraisians or to keep our territory. What we want is to try out our nifty new recwar rules.
If we lose some territory, we expect that we can get more later. What say you?
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Re: Zindaria Recwar
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: January 26, 2008, 03:30 PM »
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Quote from: Emir of Raspur on January 17, 2008, 08:27 AM
I will have a word with Guido and Will - see what can be done. Failing that there is always scope for one of those famed "Babkhan peacekeeping mission" which usually end in a blood bath.
Thanks again for your support of our new recwar. Has there been any word from Guido or Will?
As you can see from the thread on the GSO forum entitled "[Adraisia] Movement into Zindaria" we have posted an in-character post to start things off. I heard Guido was banned from posting here, but he said he didn't want to participate anyway. If he changes his mind, we can set up a new recwar thread somewhere else.
Whether or not Adraisia is willing to participate, we are planning to send a military expedition upriver to the last known deployment of Adraisian troops and attempt to drive them out. Given the poor quality of our forces in the Goloni Protectorate, we are not likely to enjoy initial success even if they receive no orders from their national government. At that point, we will probably call for help. So far, our most eager allies seem to think there is no point to this unless the Adraisians actively participate.
That sounds to me like a perfect situation for us to declare a temporary unilateral ceasefire and call for peacekeeping troops. At that point your Babkhan peacekeepers could enter the scene along with anyone else who wants to be a "peacekeeper". The ideal deployment for your peacekeepers would be between the two hostile forces which, coincidentally is almost adjacent to the location of both the Alexandrian and Riponian expeditionary forces.
We have rebellious natives with guns who are also right there at the same location who are seeking an end to Zindarian rule and will appeal for foreign assistance. If Babkhan forces assist the native rebels led by chief Yashanda, the war is on even if nobody but Zindaria and Babkha are willing to participate. I expect that Alexandria and Riponia will also participate. Jamzinia and others previously expressed interest in opposing us in a recwar if there were an opportunity for them to get some of our territory. Maybe they'll join in. We'll invite them to send peacekeeping forces when the time comes. Who knows, maybe once it gets going the Adraisians will participate after all.
You're still in on this right? Please let me know if you agree with the idea of having the existing thread by the main recwar thread.
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Re: Guerrilla Insurgency
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 15, 2008, 10:24 PM »
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Quote from: Emir of Raspur on March 15, 2008, 09:32 PM
Greetings,
As you are doubtless aware the main reason for the limited Babkhan involvement in this conflict has been to save guard the Kingdom's interests in Kesteven. However I intend to start a proxy force based on a client tribal militia.
My question therefore is will this require a seperate orbat under my own initiative or will it have to count towards the forces of the Kingdom in the region? Also I am allowed to start a force off my own initiative can I set about starting this up by means of secret money transfers and arms shipments detailed to yourself which then start to reflect a change in circumstances as reported on the ground. etc
Sorry if that was a bit muddled but I would appreciate your opinion.
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When you say a client tribal militia, I assume you mean one in the Goloni Protectorate.
If you want to secretly create a proxy force of Goloni, you should send details of your efforts to me. Such a force could be built up relatively quickly by arming existing tribal forces. Babkha is not currently in contact with any Goloni tribe. You will have to initiate that contact somehow and convince them to be your proxy.
Your investigation of the "Tudeh" communists will reveal that they were not in contact with anyone in the Goloni Protectorate.
We're evolving a sort of balance between participants godmodding on one hand or depending too much on the arbitrator on the other hand. I admit I have a tendency to be too controlling. It makes for a more realistic game and prevents argument between participants, but it also takes up too much of my time and tends to cause participants to argue with me instead of each other.
I'm thinking that participants should be able to post press releases (or secret orders sent to me) that assume people under their control will do what they are ordered to when there is not much doubt they can carry out the task. I may have to throw in a few SNAFUs or correct things, but my most important role is to determine what happens in situations where it is not clear whether subordinates will follow orders or can accomplish the missions assigned to them. That's mostly in combat situations.
In general, try to let me determine the reaction of people who are not your subordinates such as Goloni chiefs you don't yet have under your thumb.
You are not required to have a separate orbat under your initiative for the proxy force you envision. You could if you want, but unless it is based on information I give you, it is likely to be highly inaccurate to say the least. It would also reveal that you are backing that tribal group.
Your order of battle does need further details as I indicated in the order of battle post, especially the number of troops and aircraft in each unit.
I'm not sure what you mean by counting towards forces of the [Babkhan] Kingdom in the region. At this point, I consider your posted order of battle to be the entire deployment of Babkhan forces in the Kesteven Islands. I'm under the impression there are no other Babkhan forces nearby as of the current simulated date which is April 16, 2008. (At present, simulated time is passing at the same rate as real time, but earlier it was going at triple normal speed so we are already up to April. A post in the arbitrator thread explains how to determine the current date.)
You can move reinforcements to the region from Babka. Really, by ZRS rules, everyone should have posted a complete orbat for all their forces, not just those in the region. Only Zindaria has done this so far. I am planning to only allow reinforcements for countries that post their entire order of battle so that they are drawing reinforcements from a limited number of troops in their homeland, not making them up as needed.
Since only Zindaria has brought in reinforcements from out of the region and they have posted a full orbat, this hasn't been a problem yet. I might make exceptions for trivial amounts of troops from large countries, but I'd like to see full orbats as well as population and economic production numbers as the ZRS rules contemplate.
I'm not sure how to react to the existence of some sort of insurgent activity in the Kesteven Islands. According to ZRS rules, the arbitrator is supposed to determine all facts relevant to the recwar. If Babkha is involved and its nearest troops are carrying out counterinsurgency operations in the Kesteven Islands, the nature and success of those operations directly affects the availability of those Babkhan forces for other missions if the need should arise.
I have to be able to determine how that is going, but I don't want to make up a lot of details about the Kesteven Islands and the insurgency there with no input from you. I'd rather you sketched out some more details on that either in public posts or a direct message to me. It would be good to know things like the total population of the Kesteven Islands, their ethnic background, especially the number who are members of rebellious tribes or any similar tribes and an approximate estimate of the number of insurgents and what sort of weapons the insurgents have. I'm already getting some idea of how that war is going. Your newspaper mentioned bombing campaigns and chemical weapons. More details would be good.
It would also be helpful to know what part of the Kesteven Islands is inhabited by primitive tribes, what part is affected by the insurgency, what part is more modern (if any). If there are cities where are they and what are they called. You don't have to do a whole detailed map, but something more than we've got.
Your initiative sounds very interesting. Go for it.
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Babkhan Interests
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 17, 2008, 01:05 AM »
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The Kingdom of Zindaria is well aware of the issues that concern Babkha such as the danger of native revolt spreading and the even more alarming danger that foreign troops would not leave the Goloni Protectorate if asked to do so by Zindaria. Zindaria is willing to discuss these issues with appropriate representatives of the Kingdom of Babkha with a view towards cooperation.
You are right about the Ocians treating our airspace as their own. That missile test was not authorized by us. They only consulted us about it afterwards. We don't want a public confrontation about it, but we have objected to it privately.
We especially want to avoid any military conflict between Ocia and Babkha in our territory or airspace or in the seas and airspace near our territory. Please tolerate the Ocian presence while the revolt is going on.
We would welcome direct Babkhan military assistance in the conflict, both to help suppress the rebellion and to guarantee that other foreign powers will depart when asked to.
Is there any sort of military assistance you are willing to provide to us?
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Re: Kesteven (Briefly) & Ciano
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 17, 2008, 04:39 AM »
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Very well done. Your men have been unable to make contact with Chief Gilago of the Sari tribe because he is away in the jungle on some religious ritual. The tribe's temporary leader, Nardo, has met with your man Abdul Malik.
Nardo is very interested in obtaining weapons, especially armed patrol boats of some kind and more mortars, rifles and machineguns.
He is already attempting to buy these from foreign sources. He would not give details.
He says he knows nothing of the Ocians, but if they are helping Zindaria to rule Sari territory, he will wage war on them as well as the Zindarians.
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Re: Ciano: The Itini & other matters
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 18, 2008, 07:13 AM »
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I believe the shipment is:
3 MILAN launchers,
30 rounds for those anti-tank missiles,
200 OAH MK1 assault rifles with enough ammunition for these guns.
these will be delivered directly to Itini troops near Ft. Riposte.
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Re: Kesteven (Briefly) & Ciano
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 18, 2008, 10:41 AM »
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Abdul Malik finds that although Nardo only speaks the Sari language, he has another tribesman who speaks Britannic and another who speaks the bizarre slang of the Zindarians which is a mixture of Aerlish, Brittanic and Babki. Abdul Malik finds the Zindarian lingo amusing, but is better able to converse with the aid of the two Brittanic-speaking translators.
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Sarhang Abdul Malik is pleased with his discussions with Nardo. However he would also like to meet with Chief Gilago but he is concerned that Gilago might contradict Nardo. He therefore attempts to sound out Nardo on his opinion concerning Gilago. Nardo speaks some platitudes about his glorious chief seems reluctant to continue the discussion any further. Abdul offered him some khat, a Kumarastani narcotic substance which is chewed to release its properties, in an attempt to ingratiate himself with Nardo in the hope he might let his true feelings slip.
Nardo tries the Khat and is greatly impressed with it. He does become more talkative while under its influence.
He says that Gilago is very bitter and is influenced by a cavalry leader named Islendi who is eager to prove himself in battle and to defeat the traditional enemies of the Sari tribe such as the Loktok. Nardo says Islendi's father was killed by the Loktok tribe's warriors in a war before the Zindarians came. Islendi is enraged at the idea that now the Zindarians try to impose peace when there is much left to avenge.
Though Gilago is influenced by Islendi's militarism, Nardo says Gilago's view is broader. He says Gilago wants to make Sari a modern nation and sees the Zindarians as an obstacle to that. Nardo agrees with that assessment.
Nardo also says it will be impossible to speak to Gilago until he returns from his spirit renewal quest and there is no way to predict how long it will take. Sometimes they take weeks. Sometimes years. He only recently started the quest. The quest involves going into the jungle alone. No one even knows where he is.
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Abdul also showed Nardo a pistol that he carried on his person
Nardo seems impressed so naturally Abdul offered it to him as a gift. He also implies that he has five more that Nardo might like to distribute as gifts to his friends.
Nardo accepts the gift of all six pistols with gratitude.
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Returning to the matter of the weapons Abdul explained to Nardo that while patrol boats would be difficult to deliver under present circumstances, such as the Ocian naval patrol, they could be ordered now - to arrive at a later date. A delivery of small arms however could be arranged for as early as the middle of next week. With Nardo's consent the arrangements could be made straight away.
Nardo eagerly consents and requests rifles, machineguns and mortars. He also requests patrol boats as soon as they can be delivered.
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Abdul is very curious about the new native culture he has found himself amongst which is both similar to that found on the Kesteven Isles yet at the same time profoundly alien to a Babkhan. He notes that the hour grows late and that the road ahead is long and uncertain, a formula amongst the Kestevani tribes that indicates a desire to enjoy hospitality for the night. Abdul waits to see if Nardo recognises it as such.
Nardo does recognize it as such and invites Abdul Malik and his men to stay the night or longer if they wish. Abdul notices several similarities between the culture of the Sari and that of the Kesteveni natives.
Nardo inquires where Abdul and his men plan to go next and offers to send guides and translators. He notes that the tribes that are not on the coast usually don't speak Brittanic or Zindarian. he says the coastal tribes have had more exposure to the outside world.
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Re: Ciano: The Itini & other matters
« Sent to: extreme007 on: March 18, 2008, 11:03 AM »
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Quote from: extreme007 on March 18, 2008, 07:13 AM
I believe the shipment is:
3 MILAN launchers,
30 rounds for those anti-tank missiles,
200 OAH MK1 assault rifles with enough ammunition for these guns.
these will be delivered directly to Itini troops near Ft. Riposte.
I need three things.
(1) I need to know how the Itini learned of this so quickly and got a representative there who knows exactly what Itini troops hundreds of miles away need. I know that Yashanda and Nardo are in radio contact, but Nardo has not yet mentioned his visitors to Yashanda. I know that there are Itini in the vicinity working on covert activities, but I don't think they have radios with them.
There is no doubt that Yashanda will hear about the visitors, but unless someone reports it by radio, it's going to take about ten days (arriving April 28) for news of this to reach Itini-nada. Yashanda could then call Nardo on the radio, but if Yashanda wants to send a representative on foot to Sari-Kanda, that will take another ten days. The representative would arrive on May 8. Then, if Abdul Malik is still there, he could have that conversation.
(2) I need to know where Babkha is transporting the equipment from so I can calculate how long it will take to arrive. I also need Babkha to confirm that they meant thirty missiles.
(3) I need to know how the Babkhan dhow will link up with Itini forces to make the delivery.
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Re: Ciano and the Itini
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 19, 2008, 05:21 AM »
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That's a great job you did on those details. The only issue now is that there is no Itini representative at Sari-Kanda yet for your man to speak to.
We have been keeping track of every messenger and representative that Chief Yashanda has sent out. There simply isn't one there. He has some other men nearby, but they don't have the ability to contact Yashanda, they are they authorized to speak for Yashanda and they may not be aware that anti-tank missiles would be the priority to ask for.
Unless something speeds up the process, word will reach Itini-nada of the Babkhan visitors in about ten days after their arrival. If Yashanda responds by sending a representative, he will arrive after another ten days.
Nardo will show off his radio to Abdul Malik. He is very proud of it, but Abdul Malik can see that it is a civilian ham radio.
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The Itini
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 19, 2008, 05:39 AM »
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Nardo acknowledges that the Itini have played a role in the rebellion, but minimizes their importance and stresses that it was Sari forces who struck the first blow and captured Ft. Riposte, the Zindarian administrative capital of the Goloni Protectorate.
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Re: Ciano: The Itini & other matters
« Sent to: extreme007 on: March 20, 2008, 07:37 PM »
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I need three things.
(1) I need to know how the Itini learned of this so quickly and got a representative there who knows exactly what Itini troops hundreds of miles away need. I know that Yashanda and Nardo are in radio contact, but Nardo has not yet mentioned his visitors to Yashanda. I know that there are Itini in the vicinity working on covert activities, but I don't think they have radios with them.
There is no doubt that Yashanda will hear about the visitors, but unless someone reports it by radio, it's going to take about ten days (arriving April 28) for news of this to reach Itini-nada. Yashanda could then call Nardo on the radio, but if Yashanda wants to send a representative on foot to Sari-Kanda, that will take another ten days. The representative would arrive on May 8. Then, if Abdul Malik is still there, he could have that conversation.
Could it possible to say that this communication was done in Itini-nada? Cause surely, there's a Babkhan or two in Itini-nada? I mean there are thousands of Alexandrians sitting there in Itini-nada, plus a few Karnalian reporters. So, it wouldn't be hard for a Babkhan to be there?
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Sorry, but those particular Babkhans are at Sari-Kanda now. They might go to Itini-nada next, but it will take them about ten days to get there. That would take half as long as for an Itini representative to go to Sari-Kanda only after news of the Babkhan presence reaches Itini-nada.
It wouldn't be hard for some other Babkhan to be at Itini-nada, perhaps working for Manuel, but an ordinary Babkhan who is not a government official would not have the ability to arrange a deal like that. I gave you a reasonable chance that a Babkhan was already at Itini-nada, rolled some dice and have determined that there are no Babkhans at Itini-nada right now.
As soon as you can contact them, things can proceed as you guys have been talking about assuming you both still agree on it at that time. I realize it is frustrating and if you were playing a more technologically advanced nation, you could call them on the phone or fly a special emissary to Babkha and get things going right away. Unfortunately, the Itini are not at a point where they can do that.
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Re: Ciano: The Itini & other matters
« Sent to: extreme007 on: March 21, 2008, 06:34 AM »
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Okay. In that case, assume that the Babkhans started for Itini-nada back when the first PM about this was sent. Surely that is feasible. So, they could have taken the same route the Alexandrians did. Perhaps, even an airdrop (I personally don't know what profession these guys are, but I suppose even military/paratrooper guys could be sent on such a covert move). Emir of Raspur could agree or disagree if he liked.
Now, could we have the time-line for the arrival of weapons?
The Babkhans arrived in the Goloni Protectorate on April 16 and got to Sari-Kanda on April 17, but in their interactions with the Sari, it was clear they were going to stay at least one night.
I normally won't allow things to be backdated, but this time I will because it seems that the Babkhans probably were going to go to Itini-nada next anyway and the conversation they had with Nardo took longer in real life than it would have in game time. If Emir of Raspur confirms, I'll say that the Babkhans departed for Itini-nada on April 18 and, if their trip goes well, they will arrive on April 28. They can meet with Yashanda the same day and arrange for delivery of weapons by radio.
Yashanda can inform his troops to pickup the weapons. If you want, Yashanda can even give the Babkhans his radio frequency so that the Itini troops can talk directly to the Babkhans who are coming to make the delivery.
The Babkhans expect that they can get the weapons assembled and a motorized dhow ready for the 3,400 mile round trip from F.O.B. Farzan in two days. The dhow will need to be refueled on the way out and on the way back. Babkhan naval vessels can carry this out. The dhow will take seven more days to reach the delivery point which is 35 km south of Ft. Riposte in Tukaroa territory. That location is considerably north of the current location fo Beta and Delta Groups. You can change the delivery location or send the troops back up to pick up the weapons.
The estimated delivery date for the weapons is May 7. The estimated delivery date will be the same for any point on the coast between Ongo and Ft. Riposte.
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Malik arrived at Itini-nada
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: March 28, 2008, 01:33 AM »
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Abdul Malik and his party have reached Itni-nada, met with Chief Yashanda and arranged to ship MILAN missiles to Itini troops.
Just two hours after their arrival, they heard a helicopter landing on the outskirts of the town. A group of Itini warriors went rushing off in that direction. The helicopter took off and departed almost immediately.
He notices that there are other non-natives in Itini-nada. Some are reporters, but there is at least one who looks more like a mercenary. He never talks to the reporters, but has a translator with him so he can speak to the Itini warriors and seems to be able to meet with the chief whenever he wants even though the chief's location is a carefully guarded secret.
Babkhan intelligence reports rebel warriors assembling in Yaldabaothi territory. This is intelligence from informants. The exact location of the rebel forces is not known. The information is also a week out of date already.
Foreign press reports that a FW-190 crashed during a counterinsurgency bombing mission in the Kesteven Islands are true. The pilot radioed that the engine had cut out and wouldn't restart just before he bailed out. Other pilots flying near him reported no hostile fire from the ground at that time. The pilot was seen parachuting into the jungle, but it was enemy held territory and he was almost certainly killed as soon as he reached the ground.
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Breakout Attempts
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 05, 2008, 03:46 AM »
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« Sent to: extreme007 on: April 03, 2008, 07:50:02 »
Yakonda reports hearing enormous explosions that shook the ground. He and Dandinga the Red and their men are now attempting to break out of the encirclement by attacking northwards. He has to turn off the radio to transport it. He'll be in contact again as soon as he can.
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Breakout Failed
« Sent to: extreme007 on: April 03, 2008, 10:13:07 »
Yakonda and Dandinga the Red are back on the radio. The breakout has not been successful. A few Itini warriors may have gotten out, but most of the men are still trapped. Even the infiltrators didn't get out.
The explosions occurred in the middle of the night and fighting has raged until midmorning. All Itini units are now out of ammunition. They are running low on arrows now, but making more. There is a lull in the fighting.
Yakonda says surrender should be considered, but if you order the troops to fight on, he will fight on. Dandinga the Red demands to be put in command of all the encircled forces, calls Yakonda a coward and says he plans to wait for nightfall and lead an attack with spears that will strike west and attempt to break out and head for the deep jungle and then Lepu territory. He thinks the Lepu are weak and would not cause them trouble.
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Re: Breakout Failed
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I am curious as to how this breakout attempt failed. There were 1000 native warriors North of me. And there were forces in West and South. Then these three groups surrounded me, which means that numbers from North and South had to move East in order to circle me. So, lets say 200 North warriors moved East (which is a small number). What remains is 800 in the North.
Yakonda reports that there were no native warriors to the east. The troops to the east were Zindarian Army regulars. The troops in the west were natives in Zindarian army uniforms, but these are not part of the 1,000 or so native warriors reported in the north.
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Now, I told of 10 sites that were in North that had the largest concentration of North warriors. Assuming that this concentration is lets say 10 men, plus about 30 to 50 other spread around nearby that concentration. That equals to roughly 300 to 500 native warriors in the area of attack of the missiles.
Zindaria already publicly admitted to losing 300 men. Yakonda and Dandinga the Red estimate that it was more like 400 to 600. This matches your estimate very well.
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Now, the missiles were air burst/cluster types, which means that their attack consists of three different methods: tonnes of shrapnel and fragmentations is rained down in the region, heat and pressure. Since these native warriors are not wearing any proper clothing it is safe to say that the heat would be a massive influence. They would be easily facing varying degrees of burns. Then there's fragmentations that are spread all over the region of attack. Those that hit someone would obviously kill them or severely wound them, while those that fall to the ground are hot and pointy meaning that anyone who steps on them not knowing they exist is going to be in a lot of pain. And finally the pressure which would knock out any one who survived the first two within the attack region (albeit a smaller radius compared to attack region).
Off course, this is not to mention the psychological effect these 10 power blasts would have to the enemy. I mean if the Zindarians were caught in this, they would be wondering what the hell it was, where the hell these came from, how the hell native Itini tribes got those. And this is Zindaria's modern infantry who know about missiles, not the natives. They would have never seen missiles or such large explosions. Even my men didn't know what aircrafts were, let alone the missiles. With aircrafts you could hear them coming. Not the missiles. Whoever of the native warriors lived, would be psychologically afraid of powerful explosions like these, especially if these claimed many lives of their warriors.
Yakonda says that his forces did break through the lines of the native warriors and then discovered another line of Zindarian Army troops beyond that. It was the second line they could not break. He implies that there might have been a third and fourth line behind that.
Dandinga the Red will have reported that the warriors in the north were devastated by the attack. He estimates that half of them were killed or severely wounded. He says the others were mostly standing around in shock when he and his men arrived and the enemy ran or limped away almost as soon as they realized his men were hostile.
He further reported that after that, all the enemy troops fighting against him were Zindarian Army troops in uniform until after dawn. Then, more natives came, but this time from the south and he is convinced they were fresh troops who had not been in the fight up to that point. Dandinga the Red thinks that the unit that was bombed was almost annihilated and that the survivors ran away in terror and never came back to fight anymore.
Dandinga the Red confirms Yakonda's report that breaking through the devastated enemy line after the bombing was easy, but after less than a mile in the jungle when they thought they were out of the encirclement, they were ambushed by Zindarian Army regulars blocking their path. Yakonda described this as another strong line of defense. Dandinga the Red disagrees with this assessment. He thought it was a relatively weak line of troops hastily put into position. They were reinforced during the battle by more Zindarian Army troops, but during the first fighting, Dandinga the Red believed that this was the last obstacle to freedom and that the enemy line was on the verge of faltering. Unfortunately, the Itini warriors were demoralized by being ambushed in the dark and finding a new line of enemy when they thought they were free.
Dandinga tried to rally the men for one more attack, but by the time he got enough men willing to make the attack, the enemy had reinforced the position. Dandinga led an attack on the enemy's northern line anyway, but the Itini's morale again faltered and they ran out of ammo and could not be convinced to attack again for a while. Dandinga the Red says he saw some enemy soldiers running away in the last round of fighting and officers shouting at them to return to the fight. He is convinced that their morale is also very low and on the verge of breaking.
That is why he said he was going to rally anyone still willing to fight, even with spears and when darkness comes again, attack west. He said he would not be coming back. Either he would break through or he would die trying. He got a group of other warriors to swear on their honor that they would do this also. He took Beta Group's radio with him. He said he would use it to taunt Yakonda for cowardice after he got through the enemy lines.
He has now gone to lead that attack. Yakonda reports that as soon as Dandinga reached the enemy lines, gunfire broke out and fighting has resumed all along the perimeter with enemy troops shooting and sometimes advancing in the dark. A few of the men who went with Dandinga have returned to say it was too difficult, but they don't know for certain if Dandinga made it through or not.
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Now the above was based on the assumption that the line of warriors surrounding my men was small. That is, it was not spread way too far. If it was spread way too far, then I am curious as to how the enemy knows if one part of their line is under attack from another part?
Ok assuming that somehow the other native warriors heard this explosion and somehow they managed to come to investigate/aid of their fallen comrades, how would they see my men breaking free? This is night time. And its hard to identify what body color painting is on the other person that is running between trees.
While he was still available to answer questions on the radio, Dandinga the Red said that the first line of warriors didn't realize his men were hostile until he personally impaled an enemy with his spear. After that, he said he was able to tell the warriors apart some of the time because the white warpaint of the enemy could be seen sometimes and other times people would say something and the language would identify them. It was still confusing.
When they were ambushed by the Zindarian Army troops, Dandinga said the Zindarians were "white face" men, not Goloni in uniforms. They didn't seem to care what tribe was coming towards them. He said he thought that some of the enemy warriors were probably gunned down by the Zindarian Army as well.
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Plus, with the native warriors coming to investigate the explosions, wouldn't there be an open space created in the region from which my men could make their getaway without having to encounter anyone? I mean, since the enemy line is spread really far, there would be large gaps in the middle.
Furthermore, I do not think that the line is spread far at all. You said my men were already trying to find gaps in the enemy's defences from where to break free. Since this wasn't reported, I can easily say that there weren't any gaps, which means that the enemy's line was not spread far and thus, within the 10 sites chosen, there were hundreds of enemy warriors. Which means that my men, who number in thousands, should have been capable of running through few demoralized, possibly scared and wounded, hundred of native warriors, some of whom may even have run away from the battle because of these unexplained explosions that blew their line off.
Right. Their line did not have gaps. The enemy warriors who were bombed were demoralized, scared and wounded and offered almost no resistance. Additional forces who apparently were not bombed were blocking the escape farther out. Dandinga found that suspicious, but Yakonda thinks they have two or more lines surrounding them in all directions. Yakonda estimates that the enemy force outnumbers the rebel force there by at least four to one, maybe as much as ten to one. Dandinga estimated it was more like three to one.
(Out of character, I determined the probability that your men could break out despite the second line of enemy troops, rolled some dice so that it would be determined randomly and the answer was no.)
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Several hours after Dandinga's breakout attempt, Yakonda radios to say that the fighting has died down. There is no word from Dandinga on the radio even though he had planned to call if he made it through.
Yakonda now reports that losses were heavy during Dandinga's breakout attempt and the subsequent fighting. Yakonda now expresses contempt for Dandinga as "an idiot who refused to face the bitter truth." Yakonda also says that now that Dandinga is gone, Yakonda has taken command of all the surrounded forces who remain.
He also reports that several men on the Zindarian side who speak Itini called out for the rebels to surrender after the fighting died down again. Yakonda refused, but now they are calling on individual warriors to surrender on their own. Some of them have given in and surrendered. Yakonda does not know how many, but he thinks it might have been several hundred.
He does not know how many men he has left, but morale is low, there is no food, there is no water, they have some ammo they captured, but it is only a few dozen bullets for the whole army. The rest were used up during the fighting. There are at least five hundred men who are badly wounded. Every hour that passes, some of them die. There are only five infiltrators left. A few camouflage uniforms were captured.
Yakonda says he sees no way out. Either they must be rescued or they cannot keep holding out much longer. He says he thinks that if the enemy attacks just one or two more times, that they will be finished whether they surrender or not.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 05, 2008, 05:54 PM »
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At 2313 local time on 04 May 2008 five MiG-29 fighter-bombers of 514 Squadron penetrated Zindarian air space having launched successfully from the Taoiseach class aircraft carrier HMS Azad.
That's all good. I note that the combat radius of a Russian Mig-29 is 700 km. I'm going to rule that the Babkhan Mig-29s have the same combat radius. Unlike some other people in this, you seem to be paying attention to distance since you didn't try to fly from any of your airbases which are way too far away. The aircraft carrier HMS Azad and the rest of CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven except for the destroyer HMS Savage were last reported deployed between the Kesteven Islands and the Goloni Coast. That is also out of range of the jets, but you posted that the strike took place late in the day and the battle group can move to within range in less than one day.
So at the time of launching fighters, the HMS Azad is located approximately 300 miles northeast of Loktoka, with the fighters flying at close to maximum range. Unless I'm mistaken, the rest of Banner Battle Group Kesteven is nearby except for the HMS Savage which is at Port Impregnable escorting Lovelian ships there.
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Earlier in the day targets of opportunity had been radioed in by Abdul Malik, who had volunteered a covert Babkhan air strike as a gesture of good faith and support to the Itini peoples in their moment of need.
The request authorising air support had been received by the Commander of the Kesteven Force who promptly dispatched a request for authorisation as flash traffic to Imperial Army Headquarters in Kamalshahr where a desperate search for the Grand Vizier and or the Shah failed to reveal either and as a result the Vizier for Defence and Security authorised the strike off his own initiative. This subsequently resulted in something of a point of contention between various factions arguing over the legitimacy of the act.
Three of the Babkhan MiGs proceeded to deliver x 6 Babkhan manufactured illegal copies of the CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon (cluster munitions) against the targets identified by Abdul's radio broadcast, and confirmed by reconaissance satellite footage, including what were indentified tentively as reserve formations holding an outer perimeter in a jungle region close to Ongo in the Taga tribal area.
Babkhan satellite imagery shows jungle canopy blocking the view of almost the entire area. It is possible to see clear areas where the jungle has been obliterated by previous bombing. Some troops are visible in satellite images of the area where the previous bombs fell.
Infrared satellite imagery reveals a circle of campfires and these are readily usable for targeting. One small glitch in all this is that satellite imagery does not match intelligence from the ground. Intelligence from rebels passed to Abdul Malik says that there is an inner and outer ring of surrounding forces. Satellite imagery does not confirm this. The infrared pictures show what might be two rings very close together or possibly just one circular pattern of campfires.
The outer edge of this ring is presumably what is targeted.
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The remaining two MiGs flew as escorts providing overwatch.
Orders for the flight were to disengage as soon as the delivery of ordinence as complete and break for home.
Efforts are ongoing to guage the effectiveness of the strike.
There are some things in war that are determined by luck. I use dice to determine if such things happen in this recwar. What I am about to describe is a SNAFU that resulted from two separate rolls of the dice. (These are D&D type gaming dice, not regular six sided dice.) The odds against this happening were 120 to 1. You got very unlucky. I normally never tell people the odds, but I'm making an exception and telling you this time so you'll know this was the result of a very unlikely die roll, not me giving you a hard time or something.
I hope it doesn't matter much and if you send an order to abort the mission before I inform the Zindarians they have been hit, the mission will be aborted. Or maybe you don't want to abort.
Here's what happened:
Approximately 122 miles from the target, the Radar Warning Receivers (RWR) on the two escorting Mig-29s detected radar sources at an unexpected location in the ocean. The type of radar was identified as being commonly used by surface ships of various navies and was definitely not Babkhan.
Babkhan intelligence had previously used satellite reconnaissance to determine that no ships would be in the flight path of this covert mission.
The RWR receivers on the other three aircraft then also detected the radars. All the aircraft then altered their course slightly to increase the distance from what appeared to be the radars of a whole fleet. They passed out of range, but approximately 86 miles from the target they picked up more naval radar, this time coming from a different location.
No Babkhan satellite was in a position to provide real-time imagery during this incident. (That bit of scheduling is the main SNAFU.) The Babkhan Mig-29 aircraft did not detect any missile radars locking on or any hostile aircraft at first, but shortly afterwards they detected active radar that is distinctive to Riponian Bobcat II fighters. The fighters were not on an intercept course, but their course did bring them somewhat closer to the Mig-29s.
At the combat information center (CIC) on the HMS Azad, Babkhan officers quickly reviewed the situation and guessed that most likely, due to extremely bad timing, both the Riponian and Alexandrian fleets had moved further out to sea between the time of the last Babkhan satellite overflight (it was a low orbit satellite, not in geosynchronous orbit) and the time of the flight of the Migs. A flight path that should have been clear for a covert mission now is within radar range of foreign ships.
The Bobcat II fighters did not pursue the Mig-29s or even turn directly towards them. The Mig-29s passed safely out of range of the radars and continued on the mission. The Mig-29s of course had their active radar turned off, had deactivated transponders and IFF transmitters and were flying "on the deck" just above the waves to minimize the chance of being detected. It is possible that they were not picked up by anyone's radar, but it is possible that they were. Even if they were detected on radar, it is unlikely that anyone could have determined the type of aircraft they were, though their speed and altitude would make it obvious they were military. A visual observation might have given away that they were Mig-29s, but it does not appear that any foreign ships or aircraft were close enough to have gotten a visual sighting.
There are two problems. One of these is that this somewhat compromises the covert nature of the operation since some information, especially the number of aircraft, the direction of their travel and the time they passed by might be available to foreign powers.
Another problem is that since the Mig-29s are operating at close to their maximum range, they run a similar risk of being detected again on the way back and cannot vary their course greatly to avoid the foreign ships or they will run out of fuel.
Senior officers on the HMS Azad did not immediately signal the pilots to abort the mission. Instead, they attempted to notify the Vizier for Defence and Security. If no abort signal is received in time, the pilots will continue on their mission as ordered.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 06, 2008, 05:17 AM »
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Senior officers on the HMS Azad did not immediately signal the pilots to abort the mission. Instead, they attempted to notify the Vizier for Defence and Security. If no abort signal is received in time, the pilots will continue on their mission as ordered.
The signal was printed off as a priority signal by the Comcen of the Imperial Babkhan Army Headquarters, Kamalshahr. This was passed up to the officer duty Sotvam for immediate action, which would usually involve notifying the duty Sarhang of the IBAF HQ Information Directorate of the Priority Signal, who in turn notifies the VDS which initiates its own procedures for communicating the contents of the message to the Vizier and relaying any decision.
The duty Sotvam was not present at his designated post in the crucial minutes in which the message needed to be relayed to the Vizier for a decision. Accordingly the chance to abort the mission was missed.
An immediate enquiry into this breakdown in communications has been initiated. It is believed that the Duty Sotvam was subsequently discovered in a compromising position with a girl from the typing pool, who has previously been noted for her proclivity for volunteering to work weekends and night shifts. This had been hitherto been attributed to a commendable and patriotic work ethic. Now another explanation seems to suggest itself.
It is expected that the final report will not attribute blame to any one individual but rather attribute the cause of any failings to faults in process. These will be reviewed and a reorganisation of the Information Directorate at IBAF HQ is expected. Unfortunately the duty sotvam and the staff on duty in the Comcen will not be able to provide any input to the enquiry concerning the process failures of that night as they have, by a strange quirk of fate, been notified of sudden and unexpected promotions, and equally sudden and unexpected transfers to the Mondesian Front.
Okay. Mission accomplished. Ordinance delivered on target. Aircraft returned and again passed by suspected Alexandrian and Riponian ships and all five aircraft landed safely on HMS Azam.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 07, 2008, 02:17 AM »
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Sarhand Abdul Malik reports that another helicopter has landed at Itini-nada on May 4. This is not the same one. Again it was surrounded by warriors. This time the entire crew was removed and taken to see Chief Yashanda. The helicopter was left almost abandoned in a field so Malik had a chance to examine it.
It is an L-15 utility helicopter of Nova English manufacture. It has a red and black logo on it with a two headed eagle symbol flanked by two swords and the words "Colonial Executive" above that. Also painted on the side of the helicopter is "HMNS Onwards". A map onboard that Malik examined had a place on the coast near the northern border of the Goloni Protectorate marked in English as "base camp". Next to Itini-nada, someone had written "rebels", also in English.
While this was going on, three men approached, at least two of whom were not native. The third one was probably Goloni, but dressed much like the other two. One of the men introduced himself as "Edgar" in English. He introduced the other non-native as "Bruce" and the native looking man as "Mapah". Malik doesn't speak English, but it is the same or virtually the same language as the Brittanic language that his translator speaks, so with the aid of the translator, a conversation then ensued.
Malik also has with him two men from the Sari tribe who were sent by Nardo, the current leader of the Sari. One of them was the "guide" who showed them the way to Itini-nada. Malik dismissed this man as soon as they arrived, but he is still in Itini-nada and Malik suspects his real mission is to report back to Nardo of the Sari about what Malik is doing. Malik has tried to keep his dealings with the Itini private, but it is almost impossible. This is mostly because of the other Sari native who Nardo sent. This man speaks Brittanic and Itni and has been invaluable in carrying on conversations with the Itini, especially ordinary people. Yashanda has a Brittanic-speaking translator of his own so that the Sari interpreter has not been privy to those conversations. Malik can't find anyone else in Itini-nada who speaks any language that he or his own interpreter speak. So when he is snooping around in Itini affairs, he has to use a translator directly associated with either Yashanda or Nardo. He has chosen to use the one sent by Nardo even though he believes this information will be relayed to Nardo. Malik has been using the Sari interpreter to speak to ordinary Itini and has learned much about their culture and circumstances from this.
At first Malik thought the non-native men were returning to their helicopter and instructed his own interpreter to say to them in Brittanic, "I apologize for looking through your helicopter, but it seemed to have been abandoned."
Malik was surprised when Edgar said, "I'm not entirely sure whether that helicopter is for us or not. When I heard it, I thought it was, but it doesn't look like one of ours."
Malik took the opportunity to ask, "When you say 'ours', who exactly are you referring to?"
There was then a confused conversation in which Edgar tried to dodge the question. He ended up making vague references to a mineral survey and an international investors group which the translator could not make sense of. Then Edgar asked Malik who he was and why he had come to Itini-nada.
Malik said his name was Abdul and that he was there for much the same reason as Edgar was and gave his covery story that he is a contractor employeed by the Amahraspand Group to scout for minerals and other valuables as part of a trading concession issued by Governor Khan.
Malik could not help but smile at the irony that when he said he was there for much the same reason as Edgar, that this lie built upon Edgar's lie was probably true. Malik strongly suspected that "Edgar" was not representing any company or investors, but was an agent of a foreign government. The translator said that Edgar's accent was clearly from Lovely.
The parallels between the two groups are striking. Just as Malik is accompanied by two security guards and an interpreter, Edgar is also accompanied by men who appear to be a security guard and an interpreter. The man introduced as "Bruce" looks and acts exactly like a soldier from some elite military unit, still carrying military weapons and gear, who has been ordered to wear civilian clothes for this mission.
"Mapah" looks like someone who has been living in a much more developed country than the Goloni Protectorate, but is from the Goloni area originally. The translator that Malik brought with him is also a native looking man from an area near the Goloni Protectorate who is wearing clothes from a more developed area.
Bruce's main weapon is easily recognized by Malik as an LN-15 Assault Rifle (based on British SA80) manufactured by Royal Lovely Manufacturing for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Lovely.
Edgar soon departed and Malik finished his search of the helicopter.
Malik then used the Sari translator who speaks Itini to inquire of the local natives who Edgar is. They said that he was one of the men who came from the sky in the helicopter. This was clarified to mean the previous helicopter that landed and quickly left, not the one that is currently parked in a field nearby.
As to where he is from originally or why he is there, the local people said they did not know. Further inquiry picked up another detail. Though the local people have never seen Edgar or Bruce before, they do know Mapah, the translator who is with them.
The local people in Itini-nada say Mapah's full name is Mapah Kio and he is a member of the Shedin tribe. The Shedin are not Goloni, but are a similar primitive tribe that lives in the border area between the Goloni Protectorate and the territory that used to belong to Lovely.
The native people say that Mapah Kio has been on trade missions to Itini-nada and other areas for years. They did not think that had anything to do with non-natives, but now they are not sure. They say he is known to have extensive trade contacts not only with the Shedin and Itini, but also the Gara and Timivera tribes.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 09, 2008, 04:47 AM »
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Meanwhile the Babkhan Submarine HMS Nouradin, operating a significant distance north of the CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven in a screening role, acquired a targeting resolution on a vessel identified as the Ocian Frigate ONS Advance, operating in waters due north east of the coast of Rafan. Babkhan paranoia about Ocian intentions had reached fever pitch, accordingly the more independently minded members of the Babkhan officer caste felt mandated to react "proactively" to contain the "threat". In this instance the Agha Farman (Captain) of the Nouradin interpreted fleet protection as a mandate for unilateral action and launched a BrahMos (his only one - an experimental missile adapted for submarine launch - out of a stock of one hundred purchased by Babkha for the abortive Ocian War) against the target. This was followed by two UGM-84 Harpoons as part of what is affectionately known in Babkhan circles as the 'reinsurance policy'.
The launch point was approximately 90km from the intended target. HMS Nouradin after firing adopted a drift and sprint strategm for removing itself from the scene back towards the main fleet.
Regarding the submarine attack on the "Ocian Frigate ONS Advance". There is actually no such ship. The ONS Advance is a destroyer. It is not clear to me if you meant to target a frigate and got the name wrong or if you meant to target the ONS Advance and got the ship type wrong.
Does your orbat say the HMS Nouradin is armed with cruise missiles? You can't just add something like that later without your people doing the work of installing it after the recwar begins and for that the Nouradin would have to be in drydock.
I'm ruling that the Nouradin is not currently aware of the location of the ONS Advance or any Ocian frigates. They have not stumbled upon each other accidentally and if you want to go looking for the ONS Advance, you'll have to say so and say where you look. Then I'll tell you if you find it. You could probably find it with satellites, but that would still be a more deliberate move than what you described as panicky missile firing under pressure by one sub captain.
You will also have to give me the exact location of all your ships in the area so that if the Ocians go looking for them I can tell them whether they find them. Otherwise I'll have to decide where they are.
Since I am about at my limit on what I have time for on this recwar, can you give me some idea of what you are trying to do? Because if it means a long and complicated war with Ocia and/or allies of Ocia, we may have to do it another time. If this war doesn't end with a peace treaty soon, I'm going to have to at least have a break from this.
I'm not going to arbitrarily say you can't attack them, but if you do, I may have to stop time from passing in the entire recwar for several weeks of real time and come back to it when I can. Or I may just tell Jake he'll have to find another arbitrator.
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You will also be aware that Nardo of the Sari sent two men with the Babkhans. One was a guide to show them the way. The other is the translator. Abdul Malik has dismissed the guide, but he is still hanging around town, apparently spying on the Babkhans. This has only now come to the attention of Chief Yashanda.
Yashanda has brought an English speaking loyal Itini civilian in a meeting with Babkhan Contact. He has informed directly to in english Abdul Malik (Babkhan Contact) that the guide is busy spying on the Babkhans. Yashanda also offers to give a translator of Itini origin to Babkha, incase the Sari translator is also spying on the Babkhans. Yashanda is curious as to what the Babkhans want to do with the two Sari men. He suggests that the Babkhans deal with this directly rather than Itini as Sari is one of the closest Goloni tribe supporters in this war.
Obviously this meeting is held in the absence of the Sari translator. This PM is also sent to the arbitrator and Emir of Raspur.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 10, 2008, 03:14 PM »
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Merely obeying orders with that one. The Noruadin is in its essentials akin to the Astute Class presently being roled out in the UK, so no problem in my estimation with carrying cruise missiles.
I appreciate your position and I most certainly have no desire to make your life hell, so let us just say, as you just said, that the above never happened.
That being so, and Babkha's involvement in this war being essentially anti-Ocian in outlook I suggest that it might be about time to wrap everything up.
I'm not sure how I can end this except to just stop and leave things unresolved.
I'm slowing down game time again because of some things that are going on. After that I may just call for a break of a week or more. Ocia says they will have a full orbat ready by April 15. That is in response to my request for one earlier, not because of your actions.
If you guys are going to insist on attacking Ocia, you should spend this time preparing a full orbat for Babkha. After the break or the slowdown is over, both Babkha and Ocia should have full orbats. At that point it wouldn't be as difficult for me to handle a naval war between the two, but I'm still concerned that it might erupt into a world war and that it would be more than I am ready to be arbitrator for. Does Ocia have any allies that you know of?
By the way, why are you out to get them anyway? It seems like Ocia has a lot of enemies and I'm new to this so I don't now why.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 14, 2008, 04:13 AM »
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I'm hoping the stick will be big enough to make them end their war. Might get the Riponians annoyed though so would appreciate help if they got involved. Thanks a lot anyhow Ardy.
BTW, do you know much about signal jamming? I'm thinking of trying to close off all their communications in the region just in case some silly little propaganda gets out. Tongue
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 15, 2008, 11:18 PM »
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Just as news reports of a rebel offensive at Ft. Riposte were being heard on the radio, Babkha launched a far more subtle offensive of its own.
Abdul Malik's dinner invitations went out on the evening of May 6 to Chief Yashanda, Edgar Davies and Mapah Kio. The dinner is to take place on May 7, the next night. Mapah Kio accepted the invitation immediately. The others have not yet responded.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 15, 2008, 11:29 PM »
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SAVAK's HUMINT sources report that despite the air attacks on the warriors earlier, rebel Yaldaboathi tribesmen in the Kesteven Islands are continuing to gather into a large horde and move south, bent on revenge for the genocidal bombings of their villages.
This time the information on the exact location of hostile forces is out of date and their current location is not known. Satellite imagery and recon overflights have yielded no information due to dense jungle canopy obscuring the whole area. Unlike the Zindarian Army, the Yaldaboathi rebels have already learned from bitter experience that when they light campfires, the Babkhans can detect their location and bomb it. They think it is magic rather than infrared satellite imagery, but they aren't lighting campfires.
The force seems to be moving slowly according to informers among the Yaldaboathi. It is suspected that they are going to different areas to recruit more warriors rather than moving directly to the settlements. The general direction of the rebel force is southwards, towards Port Impregnable.
SAVAK sources estimate the rebel horde at 5,000 to 10,000 warriors already and more are joining them as they go. Some of them have guns, but according to informants, most of them have only primitive weapons.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 16, 2008, 12:00 AM »
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Yashanda responds to the dinner invitation by thanking Malik gracefully and declining the invitation, stating that his warriors are fighting for their freedom and it would be wrong of him to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in their absence.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 16, 2008, 01:44 AM »
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Edgar has accepted the invitation.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 19, 2008, 09:45 PM »
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Quote from: Emir of Raspur on April 19, 2008, 06:44 AM
Following reports in the media, feedback from Abdul Malik, and reported announcements by the Ocian Government the VDS authorised another intervention by Babkhan forces.
At 1025hrs (Goloni Local Time) on 06 May 08HMS Victorious [Vanguard Class Advanced Dreadnaught] of CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven received from the VDS & IBAF HQ authorisation to commence the immediate firing of four BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles armed with a BLU-97/B (Combined Effects Bomb) mounted in a submunitions dispenser against Fort Riposte. A further secondary salvo of three BGM-109 armed with a conventional 1,000 lb warhead to crater the nearby airfield.
A reconaissance satelitte has been diverted onto a new orbit in order to make an assessment of the damage from the strike.
That's all fine except that since I have slowed down so much, I have to be picky about what hour of the day it is. You seem to be launching this attack in response to Ocian press releases that were posted after a GGN news report that clearly stated it as filed at 8:55 pm on May 6, 2008.
So rather than 10:25 hours, the launch time for your attack is 22:25 hours. They delay is the time needed for the Babkhan authorities to decide to launch the strike, communicate this order to the ship and for someone to obtain precise target coordinates from satellite photographs (I'm ruling that these had already been taken and were readily available.) and program in the coordinates to the missiles, then launch them. All in all, the Babkhan navy carried out this operation very rapidly.
At 22:25 hours, May 6, HMS Victorious reports "missiles away".
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 19, 2008, 10:06 PM »
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Sarhang Ali Kamal in Babkhan military intelligence notices that the information on file about the capabilities of the C-5 Galaxy indicate that it needs 4,900 feet (1,490 m) of runway to land and 8,300 ft (2,530 m) to take off. The runway at Ft. Riposte is only 800 feet.
He reports this to his superiors at 22:31 hours on May 6, six minutes after the missiles have already been launched.
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Re: Riposte
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: April 21, 2008, 08:41 AM »
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A minute later the an aide to Vizier of Defence and Security suggests that it might be a better use of resources to redirect the salvo aimed at the airfield towards the Fort itself. A further minute is spent determining if this is feasible or not. The consensus is that it would be. An urgent order to that effect is sent to HMS Victorious as flash traffic. It may however be too late.
This is possible with the Block IV TLAM Tomahawks, but not with the Block III Tomahawks. The missiles fired were Block IIIs.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: May 03, 2008, 12:07 AM »
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At 01:40 hrs. on 7 May 2008 a Babkhan reconaissance satelitte photographed Ft. Riposte with infrared photography to make assessment of the damage from the Babkhan missile strike.
The images showed surprisingly little damage considering the number of missiles and their munitions. Further analysis shows no sign that any of the missiles targeted at the airstrip struck their targets. It also shows a distinctive pattern of damage to the fort that is consistent with one and only one cluster munition. It appears that six out of seven missiles did not reach their targets or failed to explode.
The one that did strike did considerable damage. Some buildings inside the fort were still burning when the satellite images were taken, the north and west walls of the fort were partly destroyed and dozens of corpses were evident inside the fort.
The same series of images seem to have captured a firefight in progress about two miles away just north of Camp Reclaimer involving thousands of troops, 58 tanks and 10 Infantry Fighting Vehicles. An enormous heat source was visible on infrared at Camp Reclaimer.
At 08:25 hrs. 7 May 2008 another Babkhan reconaissance satelitte photographed Ft. Riposte in daylight to make assessment of the damage from the Babkhan missile strike. This showed no signs of continuing battle, but revealed other details such as the fact that the huge heat source at Camp Reclaimer in the earlier infrared images was a burning fuel depot. Another noteworthy detail is that a ship has sunk near the docks at Camp Reclaimer. It looks like a small sized civilian freighter. Also, it is clear that two of the tanks have been damaged and left immobile on the battlefield. One of them is an Ocian Leopard 2. The other one is a Bummie MBT made in Riponia.
Later in the day, crew of the dhow reported via coded radio message that they had successfully delivered the MILAN missiles and other weapons without incident and are now on their way back to the Kesteven Islands.
In the evening, Sarhang Abdul Malik hosts a dinner of curried goat which Edgar Davies and Mapah Kio attend. During this dinner, Edgar Davies attempts to pass himself off as working for mining interests as before, but the story is even thinner this time. The man knows next to nothing about mining. Mapah Kio has been hired to work for Edgar Davies as his translator, but Mapah Kio seems like a man who has his own agenda. Davies reveals, perhaps inadvertently, that Mapah Kio previously worked for the government of Lovely. Kio seems to be the only person who is genuinely interested in and knowledgeable about trade opportunities in Itini-nada.
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« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: May 03, 2008, 05:01 PM »
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Emir of Raspur,
As you may know, the Kingdom of Zindaria is on a weapons-buying spree to support our war efforts in the Goloni Protectorate. Would Babkha be willing to sell us any weapons?
We are particularly interested in assault rifles, artillery, SAMs and fast patrol boats armed with anti-ship missiles and helicopters.
If you are willing to consider such transactions, please provide prices, product specifications and estimated delivery times to Ft. Riposte. Also please send a copy of your correspondence to Steve Royce.
We are also interested in discussing the possibility you raised much earlier of direct assistance by Babkhan military forces in "restoring order" as you mentioned in this message:
Quote from: Emir of Raspur on March 17, 2008, 05:24 AM
Greetings,
I would like to assure you that the Kingdom of Babkha shall respect Zindarian sovereignty regardless of provocations by the Ocian forces in the region.
If the Zindarian Government is prepared to initiate negotiations with the rebel forces on condition of a general amnesty for rebel fighters, excepting those directly implicated in atrocities, and some measure of autonomy for the tribal governments then the Babkhan Government will be willing to consider the dispatch of peacekeeping forces to assist in the restoration of order - as well as to offer a guarrantee of support with regards to ensuring the withdrawal of foreign forces postbellum.
The Ocians have been very helpful to us, but they have been steadily reducing their forces in the Goloni Protectorate and we are increasingly seeing signs of interventions by hostile foreign powers.
We are especially interested in assistance by air and naval forces in addition to the aforementioned weapons purchases.
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Re: Weapons and Assistance
« Sent to: Emir of Raspur on: May 11, 2008, 03:36 AM »
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The situation has changed because of the peace deal. We are still interested in price quotes for weapons and possibly a few Babkhan advisors.
Your other offers are quite kind and are exactly what we needed during the war. Our interest in them has declined as a result of the peace deal, but we will consider them. We are interested generally in a closer relationship with the Kingdom of Babkha, but we are reluctant to choose between friendship with Ocia and friendship with Babkha. Since Ocia provided such substantial assistance during the war, it is a priority for us to maintain our friendship with them.
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Re: An actual discussion: recwars
Finally, care of the IBAF Archives:
Emir of Raspur wrote:This file covers "covert orders" issued as part of the Goloni War.
Steve,
Please find to follow a bit of communications traffic concerning the sending of a TE Lawrence type character to make contact with an as yet unknown tribal chief.
****BABKHAN EYES ONLY
RESTRICTED
From: RGR (YZ)
TO: VDS
CC: IBAF HQ
24 Farvardin 1387
A Memorandum Concerning OP CIANO
1. Not withstanding initial unfavourable estimates concerning the potential for establishing a channel of communication with sympathetic Goloni leaders the recent heavy handed Ocian tactics involved in putting down the rebel forces in Fort Riposte will continue to generate a feeling of growing resentment which if approached properly could furnish the Kingdom with allies willing to continue the struggle - particularly against Ocia.
2. The premise of OP CIANO therefore is to insert ashore a small party
consisting of times x1 officer of sufficient rank to be an authoritive
representative of the Kingdom, x1 interpreter, x2 civilian "private security specialists".
3. No information exists as to the exact nature of the Goloni tribal cultures save for that which is open source and available care of the Zindarian Government. Recommend therefore selecting an Asker with an appropriate knowledge of Babki or the Britannic tongue to serve as interpreter. The proximity of Kesteven to Golonia may ensure some mutual intelligability between such "primitive" tongues.
4. Party to be infiltrated at night by submarine. No visible uniform to be worn. Cover story for party: Contractors employeed by the Amahraspand Group to scout for minerals and other valuables as part of the trading concession issued on 26 Esfand 1386 by Governor Khan. A copy of the concessionary permit to be made available. A petty cash limit of 1,000 Rials shall be made available to the expedition for commanding officer to use at his discretion.
5. Beginning with the Sari peoples the expedition shall, whilst obstensively making samples purchases of local trinkets for the Babkhan home market, traverse the wilderness between the shore and the Teviso/Goloni River and identify the most promising chieftans and warriors for training and financing as insurgent leaders.
6. Should a promising contact be made - arms shipments are to commence immediately - appropriate to the following of the selected warleader. Armaments to be non-Babkhan in origin - derived from Gotzer and Britannian weapons caches left on Kesteven. Deals are to be financed by Amahraspand Group letters of credit . Purchases above that level to be paid for by mineral concessions to be granted by the rebel tribes to the Amahraspand Group.
7. OP CIANO to commence no later than 29 Farvardin 1387. Appreciate short notice and constrained timespan but it is now or never as far as this operation is concerned.
BABKHAN EYES ONLY
RESTRICTED
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28FAR87
1502hrs
Ser. 1386/002/1223/KI/IBA/NI/MI
From: MI (HQ, Kesteven Force)
To: NIO (CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven)
OP CIANO
1. Request immediate update ref. OP CIANO. Specific. Confirm Package delivered to shore.
(BAB-E0)
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28FAR87
1559hrs
Ser. 1386/002/1224/KI/IBA/NI/MI
From: NIO (CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven)
TO: MI (HQ, Kesteven Force)
SITREP OP CIANO
1. At 0010hrs 16 April 2008 / 28 Farvardin 1387 HMS Nouradin, the naming boat of the Nouradin Class Submarine, entered Zindarian territorial waters and proceeded stealthily to within 10km of the Goloni shoreline approximately 20km due north of Sari-Kanda.
2. Boat commander Agha Farman Jemal proceeded to surface for 10mins during which time Sarhang Abdul Malik (K001887A) Royal Gendarmes Regiment - on temp assignment to 54 Commando Brigade, together with a party of three civilians of the Governor of the Kesteven Isles staff (details restricted - Komiteh Polis level authorisation required) were offloaded and dispatched to shore.
3. It being ascertained that the party was safely ashore. Agha Farman Jemal gave orders for HMS Nouradin to submerge and to return to international waters.
4. Next Scheduled Communication 1000hrs 29 Farvardin 1387.
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28FAR87
1608hrs
Ser. 1386/002/1225/KI/IBA/NI/MI
From: MI (HQ, Kesteven Force)
To: NIO (CG-3 Banner Battlegroup Kesteven)
OP CIANO
1. Avoid excess detail. OpSec utmost importance. Further lapses will be reported to higher authority.
(BAB-E0)
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1613hrs
Ser. 1386/035/0023/KI/IBA/MI/RGR (YG)
From: MI (HQ, Kesteven Force)
To: RGR (YZ)
OP CIANO
1. Confirm Package delivered to shore.
(BAB-E0)
TOP SECRET [/tt][tt] TOP SECRET
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1613hrs
Ser. 1386/035/0023/KI/IBA/MI/RGR (YG)
From: RGR (YZ)
To: MI (HQ, Kesteven Force)
OP CIANO
1. Credit raised for civil authority. Release once Package establishes contact.
(BAB-E0)
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Re: An actual discussion: recwars
Hmmm... the goloni war was actually pretty good. i loved the idea of propaganda .
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In Shireroth we had the Sightseers War and The Mog Rebellion. Also, in older age, the Collour Rebellion during the Hegemony of Alexandros. I doubt there is much record of the last one.
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The only problem was the judge needed a ton of war knowledge and to be online basically 24/7 ....extreme007 wrote:Hmmm... the goloni war was actually pretty good. i loved the idea of propaganda .
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So basically a Spangle-Monty hybrid... a bit of a challenge but I'm sure that some sort of breeding or cross-grafting programme could be implemented.Andreas the Wise wrote:The only problem was the judge needed a ton of war knowledge and to be online basically 24/7 ....extreme007 wrote:Hmmm... the goloni war was actually pretty good. i loved the idea of propaganda .
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OK so breeding's out.
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Spangle shouldn't get his hopes up.......
And what part in the ton of war knowledge and on 24/7 would I come under? I'm fairly sure I have neither.
And what part in the ton of war knowledge and on 24/7 would I come under? I'm fairly sure I have neither.
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