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Been worked on on the wiki for a fortnight now, so a solid revival already for me, and a minuscule claim. AYE...

Since the last time IIR was part of Micras, Micras has moved in the direction of striving to be more realistic. Real-life references in the geography, especially the names, should be avoided. I understand that the name Islamic Internet Republic is old, though the hiatus of several RL years makes it possible for a plausible renaming. We avoid "Islam", "Christianity" etc here since it is impossible for these religions to have started or come to Micras. We have good analogues though to fit with the narrative. I would recommend that the IIR changes its name and references to fit the common narrative.

In terms of the narrative itself, it does not make sense – at least so far – that the claimant should set up a government on an island in the permanent ice sheet. In terms of logistics, that seems near impossible. It would be much easier to claim on the continental mainland, cheaper, and easier to uphold. However, if the IIR can explain why an Antarctic island is the best option, and discusses the feasibility of such a claim, I would not object. It's simply that the burden of proof for claims on icy places is much higher than around more temperate, tropical or equatorial regions.

I would recommend that the IIR consider these recommendations. I do not wish to dissuade Frans from participating in the community, but it would fit our common narrative much better if he considers these cautions.

Until I have heard how Frans and the IIR regard these concerns, my vote will unfortunately remain a "nay".

With reference to G.2.f "Geographic realism" of the Charter of the MCS, my vote is NAY.

1. It doesn't make sense to claim inside the permanent ice cap. With respect for the reason for the claim, historical heritage, there is plenty of old IIR territory outside the permanent ice cap. The government in exile could have relocated there during the last seven years.

2. There are many references to Earth, such as place names, language and religion. It is not realistic geographically to have those on the map of a fictional other world.

If these issues didn't exist, I would have voted in favour of this claim.

We don't have a blanket rule against claims in the polar regions (see Sanama and Elwynn for example). The justification given in the claim thread is enough for me, and the claim is pretty small anyway, so it's not so unreasonable in my opinion, AYE

I've received Frans's explanation for the polar claim and his justification for it. I am satisfied with it.

I am not satisfied with the name of the claimant. Neither Islamic nor the Internet fit the narrative. I understand this is my personal view – no one needs to explain that to me. I do not find a way for either to fit the realism aspect of claiming in Micras, with regard to the Charter.

I do realise that the IIR is an old name, but it sounds a bit too much Microwiki these days, and not Micran. If he can narratively fit the religion and Internet I'd be more considerate, and even better if he would choose a new name altogether. "Lucerne Republic", "Umraist Republic", "New Batavian Umraist Island" anything.... but Islam and the Internet.

I agree with Ric on all points. I am trying to realign my criteria for voting on claims to be more in line with narrative and simulationist considerations. I know this isn't a universal trend, but it is the one I prefer. Unfortunately, I can't wait until the map is blank to realign. I agree with Ric, we aren't MicroWiki and in my opinion we need to start building a common narrative and a set of basic rules. It's also fine if people don't agree.

I agree with the above statements. A more Micran narrative benefits the whole sector.

After having seen Frans's various statements on this, now latest on Discord, I feel comfortable with switching my vote. It is predicated on the IIR working towards the goals laid out.

AYE