Go go go. Operation paperstorm.
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Don't you think it will end up in terrorists blowing themselves in the NYC centre? Or maybe rather near the Google servers' farm? It will backfire, I tell you ;p
Anyway... Don't you know that 'most of the Internets' as one Senator would say is quite like property of US Government? I'm not only talking about the ARPAnet - 4 of 11 world's major DNS are located and under control of it. Happy surfing - while you can.
Anyway... Don't you know that 'most of the Internets' as one Senator would say is quite like property of US Government? I'm not only talking about the ARPAnet - 4 of 11 world's major DNS are located and under control of it. Happy surfing - while you can.
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Re: Go go go. Operation paperstorm.
No.Aster wrote:Print off and plaster around. Go Go Go.
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That is the kind of post that will be edited in the NEW FORUM ORDER.
Also, you seem to gain great pleasure from breaking rules 1 & 2. They're there for a reason.
Also, no.
Also, you seem to gain great pleasure from breaking rules 1 & 2. They're there for a reason.
Also, no.
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Maybe do what I do and save the /b/ references for #Micronations?
Yeah I said /b/ Guido. What of it?
Faggot.
Yeah I said /b/ Guido. What of it?
Faggot.
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Not to be a humbug here, but as much as I'm all about the freedom of speech, and as a soldier in the US Army, I'm hardly looking forward to the increased potential threat on my life when I'm downrange due to information from wiki Leaks in the wrong hands. I think freedoms should come with the responsibility to be smart about what you do with them. There's plenty of reason never to have put that shit out there. Because you can is a terrible reason with something so sensitive.
I can't honestly condone removing it, because yeah, you should have the freedom to use the internet however you want; even if that does happen to be stabbing your service members in the back. Which this is. I'll do nothing, and will support no effort, to save Wiki Leaks and find your endorsement insulting.
I can't honestly condone removing it, because yeah, you should have the freedom to use the internet however you want; even if that does happen to be stabbing your service members in the back. Which this is. I'll do nothing, and will support no effort, to save Wiki Leaks and find your endorsement insulting.
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My response to WikiLeaks, from Alexandria:
It's not like we didn't already know half of the stuff (or we should have suspected it), but Assange is so full of bullshit it's unbelievable. If he, and any of the moron journalists who have spent so much time working on this non-story (when god knows there are plenty of other stories out there that actually need covering), genuinely believe that an entirely open government is more effective, then they're even dumber than I thought. You cannot have informed policy-making if the policy makers and their confidants aren't able to offer their genuinely-held opinions on everything.
This is also somehow being portrayed as 'whistleblowing'. It is absolutely not, because most of what there is to blow a whistle on is opinions. Are opinions now against the law? And for everything else: do they really expect us to believe that a) only the US gets up to this kind of stuff or that b) nations haven't been doing this for all time? No, all it's done is jeopardise the conduct of diplomacy between pretty much every nation on the planet.
It's totally pointless, doesn't 'reveal' anything new or useful, and just makes the people involved think they're God's gift to 'journalism'.
And don't forget, Assange is still wanted for rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion, and has been avoiding the authorities for months. He's hardly whiter than white.
Give me a break.
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Why does everyone call what Assange did "treason" or "backstabbing" to the United States? He's not a US citizen. You cannot betray something you never had any loyalty to in the first place. Perhaps a better person or group to blame would be the actual traitors that sent in these documents to WikiLeaks in the first place, yes? They actually DID betray their country. Is there any attempts to find and arrest them? Does anyone even care?
Also, WikiLeaks has been operating for years. Nobody had ANY problem with WikiLeaks or Assange when they were talking about China and Kenya. The site and the man himself won awards and mass praise. But now all of a sudden it's ALL PURE EVIL because documents were released not from some backwater hellhole but from the US? Liiiiittle weak. Especially when the grumbling is coming from non Americans.
I'm not saying that diplomatic cables release was a smart move. And I'm not saying Assange shouldn't stand trial for the rape charges (fun fact: these types of trials in Sweden have about a 10% conviction rate.) It just bothers me when I see angsty outrage about all this masquerading as logic.
Also, WikiLeaks has been operating for years. Nobody had ANY problem with WikiLeaks or Assange when they were talking about China and Kenya. The site and the man himself won awards and mass praise. But now all of a sudden it's ALL PURE EVIL because documents were released not from some backwater hellhole but from the US? Liiiiittle weak. Especially when the grumbling is coming from non Americans.
I'm not saying that diplomatic cables release was a smart move. And I'm not saying Assange shouldn't stand trial for the rape charges (fun fact: these types of trials in Sweden have about a 10% conviction rate.) It just bothers me when I see angsty outrage about all this masquerading as logic.
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Everything that doesn't kill anybody made against US Government has my simpathy...
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I'd considered that argument, but the stuff they were leaking then was at least verging on whistleblowing. Although the US leaks seem have produced enough 'content' to fill the pages of the world's leading 'newspapers' for a fortnight, there's precious little of substance in them - and what there is is hardly controversial. Holy shit, the US bug the UN? Who would have thought that? Imo the shit that China or Russia get up to (and is subsequently revealed, from time to time, by WIkiLeaks, is far far worse than anything the US cables have 'revealed'.SaiKar wrote:Also, WikiLeaks has been operating for years. Nobody had ANY problem with WikiLeaks or Assange when they were talking about China and Kenya. The site and the man himself won awards and mass praise. But now all of a sudden it's ALL PURE EVIL because documents were released not from some backwater hellhole but from the US? Liiiiittle weak. Especially when the grumbling is coming from non Americans.
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This little nugget seems to be pretty important; http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike- ... -wikileaks
The fact that the US government are lying over such little things. That's pretty scary.
EDIT: Also, just found this on Reddit; http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme ... as/c19k355
The fact that the US government are lying over such little things. That's pretty scary.
EDIT: Also, just found this on Reddit; http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme ... as/c19k355
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Would you read the original source?
Michael Moore makes me so angry sometimes. He is without a doubt being deliberately disingenuous in this case. He presents the except as though it was the words of a US government official. It is not, it's the words of a Cuban source. Not only did the US government not make the claim publically, they didn't even make it privately. Michael Moore is everything that is wrong with the left. I am something of a socialist myself, but when I watch one of his films I find myself forming a counter argument to every sentence he says, without fail.
He oversimplifies every argument to the point where he grossly misrepresents one side of the story in order to sound, sarcastic, sardonic or clever, but the problem is that you can very rarely do that whilst still staying remotely objective. He fails miserably.
He has managed to spin the secret, unpublished reporting of HUMINT into some kind of massive campaign by the US government (of course, in collusion with the insurance industry) to discredit his film, but this campaign clearly did not exist, because it is only now that the "banned" claim is being (incorrectly) made!
He then goes on some idiotic rant about fuck knows what. Whilst trying to make a point that "free, universal health care" is good, he quotes three statistics, in which one Cuba is better than the United States... and two in which it is worse. I fail to see how this is a valid point at all. And even then, he seems to have failed to actually rebuke the main point of substance made in the original excerpt - that what was shown in the film was not this amazing "free, universal health care", because it does not exist!
I don't say it often, but he is so full of shit it's unreal. Again, I agree, by and large, with the general thrust of his arguments. But the way he presents facts is unbelievably poor, misleading and ridiculous it's hard to have any kind of support for him at all.
Michael Moore makes me so angry sometimes. He is without a doubt being deliberately disingenuous in this case. He presents the except as though it was the words of a US government official. It is not, it's the words of a Cuban source. Not only did the US government not make the claim publically, they didn't even make it privately. Michael Moore is everything that is wrong with the left. I am something of a socialist myself, but when I watch one of his films I find myself forming a counter argument to every sentence he says, without fail.
He oversimplifies every argument to the point where he grossly misrepresents one side of the story in order to sound, sarcastic, sardonic or clever, but the problem is that you can very rarely do that whilst still staying remotely objective. He fails miserably.
He has managed to spin the secret, unpublished reporting of HUMINT into some kind of massive campaign by the US government (of course, in collusion with the insurance industry) to discredit his film, but this campaign clearly did not exist, because it is only now that the "banned" claim is being (incorrectly) made!
He then goes on some idiotic rant about fuck knows what. Whilst trying to make a point that "free, universal health care" is good, he quotes three statistics, in which one Cuba is better than the United States... and two in which it is worse. I fail to see how this is a valid point at all. And even then, he seems to have failed to actually rebuke the main point of substance made in the original excerpt - that what was shown in the film was not this amazing "free, universal health care", because it does not exist!
I don't say it often, but he is so full of shit it's unreal. Again, I agree, by and large, with the general thrust of his arguments. But the way he presents facts is unbelievably poor, misleading and ridiculous it's hard to have any kind of support for him at all.
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I read it originally on The Guardian this morning and then a few ours later on his site. I noticed that on the Guardian it's referred to a an internal memo and then on Micheal's as a full blown smear campaign. I just didn't realise the significance of that.
Also on the note of how insufferable Micheal Moore is did you notice watching Sicko that every time he did a voice-over it'd be sad, violin filled music playing with him pretty much sighing after every syllable?
Also on the note of how insufferable Micheal Moore is did you notice watching Sicko that every time he did a voice-over it'd be sad, violin filled music playing with him pretty much sighing after every syllable?
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Nice to meet some more Michael Moore haters? Can't stand the guy myself.
WikiLeaks seems to have brought out the worst in the stereotypical Guardian readers who give the rest of the centre-left a bad name- smug, overly self-assured and oh-so confident that anything can be justified if it's in the slightest anti-American, because that's so achingly fashionable, of course.
I think people need to realise that Assange's time in prison does not make him by definition a champion of openness and truth- one thing which amused me was the fact that when Assange was required to reveal his address whilst on bail his lawyers asked that Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, be allowed to keep his information secret. Sometimes satire just can't keep
pace with real life and the story gets even more ridiculous when we hear that he's being defended against his rape charges by Naomi Wolf, the feminist author, all because she presumably 'has a hunch' that he didn't do it. People supporting WikiLeaks, fair enough. People instinctively declaring Assange innocent of his rape charges because he's a thorn in America's side is wrong
in principle and shows little in the way of moral consistency. I find it an extremely worrying sight that the charges against Assange are effectively being dismissed by his cronies and supporters (Michael Moore and John Pilger to name a couple) as obviously false due to the political views of the accused.
If you claim WikiLeaks is fighting for the truth, you have to pursue the truth no matter where it takes you, and if Assange is found guilty than that verdict must be accepted regardless of his political stance. Though of course if that does happen the asinine little comments about the trial being set up by the Americans and other conspiracy theories will abound.
Funny old world.
WikiLeaks seems to have brought out the worst in the stereotypical Guardian readers who give the rest of the centre-left a bad name- smug, overly self-assured and oh-so confident that anything can be justified if it's in the slightest anti-American, because that's so achingly fashionable, of course.
I think people need to realise that Assange's time in prison does not make him by definition a champion of openness and truth- one thing which amused me was the fact that when Assange was required to reveal his address whilst on bail his lawyers asked that Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, be allowed to keep his information secret. Sometimes satire just can't keep
pace with real life and the story gets even more ridiculous when we hear that he's being defended against his rape charges by Naomi Wolf, the feminist author, all because she presumably 'has a hunch' that he didn't do it. People supporting WikiLeaks, fair enough. People instinctively declaring Assange innocent of his rape charges because he's a thorn in America's side is wrong
in principle and shows little in the way of moral consistency. I find it an extremely worrying sight that the charges against Assange are effectively being dismissed by his cronies and supporters (Michael Moore and John Pilger to name a couple) as obviously false due to the political views of the accused.
If you claim WikiLeaks is fighting for the truth, you have to pursue the truth no matter where it takes you, and if Assange is found guilty than that verdict must be accepted regardless of his political stance. Though of course if that does happen the asinine little comments about the trial being set up by the Americans and other conspiracy theories will abound.
Funny old world.