Council's new look
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The Holy Grand Empire of Jingdao has confidence in all these council members except Jack, who has retired from micronations.
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Jack has informed us of his leave of absence, and has assured us that it is not a permanent situation.
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It's still not a great start. I had given him the benefit of the doubt at first, because he also came with a pretty meagre application. But to announce a two month minimum absence right after you get a position other people are also interested in? By the way, he has publicly stated that it might be much longer than two months.Craitman wrote:Jack has informed us of his leave of absence, and has assured us that it is not a permanent situation.
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Then if he's away longer and/or compromises his role, we shall find a replacement. His absence doesn't stop the Council from working
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I can participate on some days, such as today. The announcement was just to let everyone know that I am barely active and take a LOA. I do check if I'm not missing out on important stuff but I don't have the time to actively run things.
Also, Brettish Isles has confidence in the appointments.
Also, Brettish Isles has confidence in the appointments.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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Hamland has also given a vote of no confidence on the appointment of Jack to the Council. See here.
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We have over a month of voting now, how long can it last at most?
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There's no voting. The Council has made its decision and a couple of the Society's members have voiced their disapproval, as is their indefinite right. If at any point the amount of member nations giving no confidence reaches 75%, we are obligated to dismiss the Council member in question and replace them as we see fit. As it stands, another 23 member nations' lack of confidence would be required to reach such a situation...
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One would still hope to have this dissatisfaction taken into account. It is not normal for countries to oppose these decisions on such a scale. Not engaging with, or even dismissing, these viewpoints would do nothing but agitate the situation.
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It's not normal that the apparent personal dislike of me by two member of the community (Opeyne Time in Hamland and Edgard, in multiple countries) has proven to be such a large influence on this entire proces.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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I would like to clarify that the motion did not pass out of personal dislike of you. I've personally never had any problem with you. I think most of us who were swayed on the matter wished to see a greater variety of communities represented on the Council.
I have no problem with the executive nature of the MCS's governance as it is part of the reason it has lasted so long. It is, however, important to anticipate the opinions of those who use your services though.
I have no problem with the executive nature of the MCS's governance as it is part of the reason it has lasted so long. It is, however, important to anticipate the opinions of those who use your services though.
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I have to admit, I'm not entirely sure what's meant by this. Looking at Hamland's voting procedure for its no confidence, there seems to be a mention of the Bastion Union and its supposed influence over the make-up of the Council. As it stands, I would personally say that one full Council member has a particular association with the Bastion, alongside our Junior member; so 2/6. While Craitland's forum is now based on the Bastion, I would find it very hard to argue that we are intrinsically linked to Bastion as a "community", and therefore do not consider myself a "Bastionado" (or whatever the buzz term is). Looking back through the previous make-ups of the Council since this thread was started, the number of Bastion-associated Council members has pretty much consistently been two (once we had three, once we had just one) - and therefore I cannot see any difference in the current situation to our past ones. Although calculating the specific numbers would probably be a waste of all our time, saying that one in three members of our greater Micrasian community are primarily based in Bastion-associated nations doesn't strike me as being an unusual amount, and, as such, the Council essentially reflects that ratio.Lewis wrote:I think most of us who were swayed on the matter wished to see a greater variety of communities represented on the Council.
If we were to worry about one community's influence over the MCS - and I can't stress my sarcasm enough here - half of the current Council are MicroWiki heathen converts! Now that's something to think about
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I had actually written a thoughtful response (to the point which I can be considered thoughtful), but it was deleted. So I try now to replicate it from memory.
I firstly encourage those who raised objections, including the ex-Duke Sinclair, to make their objections known. They put the case forward, and Juan Teadoir and I chose to support their motion after hearing a part of their case. I also ask them to put forward their criticisms and proposals clearly and calmly so that they can be addressed more effectively in the future.
My own decision was based on the fact that this choice did not seem to reflect the criteria that I would have hoped for. Councillors I respect most include Rook, Benkern and yourself (Craitman), as they have been good community members who have actively visited and taken part in non-Bastion forums, given advice and listened eagerly. I say that from personal experience from my time in Hamland.
I have nothing against Bastion, and actually have taken part in it myself. It does, however, represent a very influential and distinctive sub-community which existed even before Bastion. It has very particular features and approaches to development which others, such as Hamland, does not share. For this reason I think many are keen to make sure that members represent the community as a whole. It isn't about which part of the community that Councillors are from, but who they can effectively understand and represent.
To my mind the case about absences and retirements seemed to ring true, as well as the fact that some members from different nations seemed to feel that these appointments didn't reflect their views. I voted no so that such views would be taken into account earlier and to make sure that appointments would be based on the criteria I hope they are made on. The fall-out made me feel that this wasn't the case. I have nothing personally against these appointees, and hope that they fulfil the job as well as their predecessors, but I do take issue with this particular process.
I firstly encourage those who raised objections, including the ex-Duke Sinclair, to make their objections known. They put the case forward, and Juan Teadoir and I chose to support their motion after hearing a part of their case. I also ask them to put forward their criticisms and proposals clearly and calmly so that they can be addressed more effectively in the future.
My own decision was based on the fact that this choice did not seem to reflect the criteria that I would have hoped for. Councillors I respect most include Rook, Benkern and yourself (Craitman), as they have been good community members who have actively visited and taken part in non-Bastion forums, given advice and listened eagerly. I say that from personal experience from my time in Hamland.
I have nothing against Bastion, and actually have taken part in it myself. It does, however, represent a very influential and distinctive sub-community which existed even before Bastion. It has very particular features and approaches to development which others, such as Hamland, does not share. For this reason I think many are keen to make sure that members represent the community as a whole. It isn't about which part of the community that Councillors are from, but who they can effectively understand and represent.
To my mind the case about absences and retirements seemed to ring true, as well as the fact that some members from different nations seemed to feel that these appointments didn't reflect their views. I voted no so that such views would be taken into account earlier and to make sure that appointments would be based on the criteria I hope they are made on. The fall-out made me feel that this wasn't the case. I have nothing personally against these appointees, and hope that they fulfil the job as well as their predecessors, but I do take issue with this particular process.
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I believe that this is the case for you, but some other citizens of the nations that have given a vote of no confidence in me have done so because of past feuds between me and themselves, and not because of any other reason. I could quote Opeyne Time and Edgard on that, but I assume that you recognise that. It's their right to do so, but it does put the no-confidence votes into perspective.Lewis wrote:I would like to clarify that the motion did not pass out of personal dislike of you. I've personally never had any problem with you. I think most of us who were swayed on the matter wished to see a greater variety of communities represented on the Council.
I have no problem with the executive nature of the MCS's governance as it is part of the reason it has lasted so long. It is, however, important to anticipate the opinions of those who use your services though.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.