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The question was raised earlier about the extent to which non-expressly-orbatted transport is allowed. I'd like to ask the same about communications.
Obviously a unit like an artillery, AA or ship comes with radar capabilities. But Scott's question about spy satellites made me think - Novatainia has, backstorywise, such a satellite. Is it even vaguely allowable to use such a thing non-orbatted, or to put such a thing in "existing national defence" for future wars?
Obviously a unit like an artillery, AA or ship comes with radar capabilities. But Scott's question about spy satellites made me think - Novatainia has, backstorywise, such a satellite. Is it even vaguely allowable to use such a thing non-orbatted, or to put such a thing in "existing national defence" for future wars?
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Not sure, I understand your question.
I personally think that satellites are like transports. They don't need to be mentioned. But like transports, shouldn't be abused. For instance, you can't have 1000s of transport aircrafts. Similarly, you can't have 1000s of satellites.
I do think that there should be a limit on how many satellites/transports etc are available freely.
I personally think that satellites are like transports. They don't need to be mentioned. But like transports, shouldn't be abused. For instance, you can't have 1000s of transport aircrafts. Similarly, you can't have 1000s of satellites.
I do think that there should be a limit on how many satellites/transports etc are available freely.
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Now that's probably a good idea ... defining free non-combat stuff in the convention ....
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Re: Radar
and giving them some sort of survivability. now im not saying that an uncosted ship should sink a destroyer but it should have a chance at getting away. same with planes if they are added. their use should be dangerous but not suicidal
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A transport outrunning a destroyer or any naval vessel is hardly likely to occur considering the naval vessel has guns and missiles....the transport doesn't.
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depends on the transport http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV-2_Swift(for guns... missiles you just gotta hope they dont sink ya)
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Still wont matter. A destroyer, lets say is standing still, simply has to fire its missiles. It even has the option of sending the helicopter after the transport. Both the helicopter (depending upon payload and model) and the missiles are faster than the HSV-2.
Now, lets say that the destroyer or battleship is moving and the HSV-2 starts from somewhere within the range of the destroyer/battleship's guns. If the HSV-2 tries to run in a straight line, the opposing captain simply has to fire in its path. A few hits are all that is required to slow down or destroy the ship entirely.
This situation is similar to something like giving you an AK-47 with enough ammunition, and asking the Jamaican fast runners to get away from you without being killed. Oh, and its an open field, with no place to hide or take cover against. Would you be able to hit the runners? The only time these runners can get away from you would be if they are starting very close to the maximum range of the AK-47. Or, if you don't know how to shoot or grow a conscience.
Now, lets say that the destroyer or battleship is moving and the HSV-2 starts from somewhere within the range of the destroyer/battleship's guns. If the HSV-2 tries to run in a straight line, the opposing captain simply has to fire in its path. A few hits are all that is required to slow down or destroy the ship entirely.
This situation is similar to something like giving you an AK-47 with enough ammunition, and asking the Jamaican fast runners to get away from you without being killed. Oh, and its an open field, with no place to hide or take cover against. Would you be able to hit the runners? The only time these runners can get away from you would be if they are starting very close to the maximum range of the AK-47. Or, if you don't know how to shoot or grow a conscience.
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If it has guns though, it should be orbatted.
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Re: Radar
Andreas the Wise wrote:The question was raised earlier about the extent to which non-expressly-orbatted transport is allowed. I'd like to ask the same about communications.
Obviously a unit like an artillery, AA or ship comes with radar capabilities. But Scott's question about spy satellites made me think - Novatainia has, backstorywise, such a satellite. Is it even vaguely allowable to use such a thing non-orbatted, or to put such a thing in "existing national defence" for future wars?
Just a note here because I got bored doing a physics essay and decided to read this forum for a change...
Erm, why not register the satellites with MAS?
Because satellites can be registered via PM so as not to be public, but in real world scenarios, every satellite can be tracked and if the need was there, it could be watched and observed for possible function...
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Re: Radar
It depends - how stringent are your current regulations on satellites?
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They ask for v. specific things like height, orbit type etc. Not hard if you do a bit of research on wikipedia into what it all means but still a bit unnecessary for many people. Plus, would require co-operation between MAS and Annunia.....what would happen to nations that have claimed existence of satellites for ages but never registered them with you? What is the success rate of applications?
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Currently all applications that would work are accepted, those which wouldn't work can be fixed to work and still be fine for the nation who controls them, when the sky gets more full application acceptance rates might fall to account for space debris collisions, but if it took 50 years to get to that state on earth with 173 nations, here with 40 should take far longer, and the odds of MCS and MAS functioning well in over 50 years might be considered slim
Nations that claim existence of satellites and have not registered them will be put on priority, with any orbital errors being corrected as fast as possible and relevant data collected quickly.
A satellite database is planned, including live satellite tracking (we have the formulae and algorithms to do it already (thanks Bill!)) which could show all satellites marked as being public, other secret satellite orbits could be viewed by use of a password? and perhaps judges would be able to view all secret satellites during wartime?
Nations that claim existence of satellites and have not registered them will be put on priority, with any orbital errors being corrected as fast as possible and relevant data collected quickly.
A satellite database is planned, including live satellite tracking (we have the formulae and algorithms to do it already (thanks Bill!)) which could show all satellites marked as being public, other secret satellite orbits could be viewed by use of a password? and perhaps judges would be able to view all secret satellites during wartime?
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the difference being that while out of those 173 nations, only 4 or 5 were able to launch a satellite once every few months. while on MCS, almost all the 40 would have the capability and at perhaps more than once every few months.but if it took 50 years to get to that state on earth with 173 nations, here with 40 should take far longer, and the odds of MCS and MAS functioning well in over 50 years might be considered slim
the problem with letting another organization accept units (satellites would be in a way a unit, though non-costed/orbatted) is that we do not have power over what satellites are capable of doing and what they arent. what if some nation puts a satellite that is able to do wayyy better than today's satellites (so say something from an extremely technological hollywood movie, wherein the satellites can see through several houses, pick out the key enemy person based on sound vibrations, height, thermal imaging etc... etc..., and identify each and every crosses and dots of t's and i's and see exactly what sort of letter he is writing!)
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Well, we saw what happened when a small nation tries to launch a satellite on its own instead of doing it with foreign technical assistance or through a foreign space program.
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MAS already says we don't allow too far into the future but we do allow what is very much possible at the current age, such as space elevators (but it's been stated that if you want a space elevator, get approval from all the nations on the map )