Board of Trustees?
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Board of Trustees?
I don't like the way there's no formal amendment procedure for the Convention and the fact that if he wanted to, Andreas could (I'm not saying he will or would) simply alter it unilaterally. Therefore I'm proposing that we add an amendment amendment to the convention as well as set up a Board of Trustees of 3 members; one to preside over the convention, one to look after unit costings and one to maintain the Annunia Common Law and Judicial ranks.
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It makes sense. When we first started this, Enrique and I were just facilitating what was a community discussion. Over time (and with the collapse of MRWS) it's evolved into a large conglomerate discussing many of the finer points of recwar and trying to resolve them. As for changing the charter - I *try* to have discussion on things beforehand, but ultimately, yeah, I'm the one deciding "ok, no ones discussed for two weeks, lets put it in," which isn't entirely fair.
What I would ask is, if we did this officially, would those three people then be the only ones with power, or would this become a membership thing? I'd prefer that it remain those three (or however many people) facilitating the Convention, with consultation with the community, rather than this become an organisation you have to sign up for.
EDIT: If we're going officially administrative like, it'd be nice to have a list of qualified judges and a way to qualify them. For example, North judged a war under Anunia in Novatainia that was a training war (but we had invited several other nations). Would he be able to judge an international war straight on that merit? Also, I assume the person in charge of judging would actually formalise Common Law?
What I would ask is, if we did this officially, would those three people then be the only ones with power, or would this become a membership thing? I'd prefer that it remain those three (or however many people) facilitating the Convention, with consultation with the community, rather than this become an organisation you have to sign up for.
EDIT: If we're going officially administrative like, it'd be nice to have a list of qualified judges and a way to qualify them. For example, North judged a war under Anunia in Novatainia that was a training war (but we had invited several other nations). Would he be able to judge an international war straight on that merit? Also, I assume the person in charge of judging would actually formalise Common Law?
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Re: Board of Trustees?
Well, if we just had three people there it would smack of despotism. Therefore, we could attempt to have something like a bicameral (two chambers) governmental system. By that I mean that there is the Board of Trustees of 3 members who act (in addition to the administrative function mentioned earlier) as the Upper Chamber akin to the House of Lords in the UK or the Senate in Australia. The Lower Chamber will be open to any Tom, Dick or Harry (including the Board of Trustees) who wishes talk about recwarring or propose an amendment. If he/she has a majority when they call a vote which shall last for a week, the proposed amendment comes to the Board of Trustees and if they have no objections they put it on. If not they can reject or suggest amendments to it themselves.
I know it sounds complicated but it may work.
As for the DEmon thing, I would say he could. ANd yes we do need a test......perhaps a test in which we establish some basic military knowledge and then a random scenario which they would have to judge?
I know it sounds complicated but it may work.
As for the DEmon thing, I would say he could. ANd yes we do need a test......perhaps a test in which we establish some basic military knowledge and then a random scenario which they would have to judge?
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Re judge testing: sounds good.
Re board: so we would have a vote of whoever turns up in this forum within a week? That would be interesting, but I guess it works. People can always propose to change things back if they think that a significant portion of people missed the vote.
Re board: so we would have a vote of whoever turns up in this forum within a week? That would be interesting, but I guess it works. People can always propose to change things back if they think that a significant portion of people missed the vote.
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I was waiting for more to be commented on it than by just you and me.
But by all means start drawing up more formally what your plan would look like.
But by all means start drawing up more formally what your plan would look like.
Andreas
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How does that look chaps?Section VIII - Administration
a. There shall be an administrative organisation for the Anunia Convention.
b. The name of the main body of the organisation shall be the Board of Trustees.
c. The Board of Trustees shall be made up of 5 Members;
I. The Chair of the Board of Trustees, responsible for chairing debate of Board as well as bringing proposals for discussion. He/She shall be tasked with preserving the spirit of the Anunia ruleset.
II. The Judicial Member, responsible for selecting and preserving the standards of a Board approved recwar judiciary.
III. The Unit Costing Member, responsible for maintaining the unit costing lists and providing guidelines upon direction from a judge.
IV. The Common Law Member, responsible for maintaining the Common Law of recwar (non-Annunia included) and providing it upon direction from a judge.
V. The Ordinary Member.
d. The positions shall be elected once a year.
e. The Board of Trustees may consult whomever they see fit and are obliged to listen, and if necessary act upon, the concerns of all recwarrers.
f. There shall also be a Judicial List, which shall comprise of Board approved recwar judges.
I. All members of the Board of Trustees, serving or retired, shall be considered a Board approved Judge.
g. To become a Board approved Judge, a person must pass a test set by the Board of Trustees and marked by the Judicial Member of the Board of Trustees.
h. It is not necessary for a recwar Judge to be Board approved but it is preferred by the Board of Trustees that a Judge is approved.
i. A person appointed to judge in a recwar may not participate in the fighting of the recwar they are appointed to.
Section IX - Amendments
a. The Annunia Convention Rules may be amended.
b. They may be amended in the following ways;
I. Upon direction of the Board of Trustees, the Chair of the Board of Trustees shall place an Amendment in the general thread of the forum where any person interested may register a vote of FOR or AGAINST. If the amendment passes, the Chair of the Board of Trustees shall add it onto the document.
II. Any person interested may propose an amendment in the general thread of the forum and may register a vote of FOR or AGAINST. If passed, the Board of Trustees shall consider the amendment and its members shall publish their votes of either FOR, AGAINST or ABSTAIN with reasonings behind their vote also. If the amendment is passed, the Board of Trustees shall add it onto the document.
EDIT: Spelling fix.
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Looks quite reasonable. A couple things I'd consider changing:
- 5 Board members seems a bit too many, especially considering ammendments are ... wait ... oh, I see. You're saying Public *and* Board have to approve amendments ... it just isn't obvious from the way you've worded the first clause. I'd still say 5 board members is probably too many and go with the original three proposed.
- I don't think Board members should automatically count as approved judges, merely because people might be elected because they're popular but not actually good at judging, and some people (like me) seem to keep having a hand in editing this charter despite having limited real world knowledge (and hence would be unsuitable as judges. I'd only ever trust me to judge a magic war).
-Since Board members are elected for a year, there needs to be a way to dismiss them for inactivity and get a new member in the position (because who knows what'll happen in five or six months time ...)
Other than that, looks good.
- 5 Board members seems a bit too many, especially considering ammendments are ... wait ... oh, I see. You're saying Public *and* Board have to approve amendments ... it just isn't obvious from the way you've worded the first clause. I'd still say 5 board members is probably too many and go with the original three proposed.
- I don't think Board members should automatically count as approved judges, merely because people might be elected because they're popular but not actually good at judging, and some people (like me) seem to keep having a hand in editing this charter despite having limited real world knowledge (and hence would be unsuitable as judges. I'd only ever trust me to judge a magic war).
-Since Board members are elected for a year, there needs to be a way to dismiss them for inactivity and get a new member in the position (because who knows what'll happen in five or six months time ...)
Other than that, looks good.
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
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I think article five has an infestation of cockroaches and article 7 of the felated colon is in need of some dire Trout.
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Re: Board of Trustees?
I pushed for 5 because if we have it at 3 for a yearly term it looks very dictatorial/demagogue-ish. Also, it allows for all those needed to make sure the convention rules work have a say. It further allows a greater balance between the two distinct recwarring camps that are building; the storytelling realists and the storytelling narrativists.Andreas the Wise wrote:Looks quite reasonable. A couple things I'd consider changing:
- 5 Board members seems a bit too many, especially considering ammendments are ... wait ... oh, I see. You're saying Public *and* Board have to approve amendments ... it just isn't obvious from the way you've worded the first clause. I'd still say 5 board members is probably too many and go with the original three proposed.
- I don't think Board members should automatically count as approved judges, merely because people might be elected because they're popular but not actually good at judging, and some people (like me) seem to keep having a hand in editing this charter despite having limited real world knowledge (and hence would be unsuitable as judges. I'd only ever trust me to judge a magic war).
-Since Board members are elected for a year, there needs to be a way to dismiss them for inactivity and get a new member in the position (because who knows what'll happen in five or six months time ...)
Other than that, looks good.
As for board members judging, the board members would be allowed to turn down a judging appointment. The reason I think they should be considered judges is in the case of a manpower shortage for judges and when an extra judge is needed to help out there is someone pretty much on reserve.
The removal thing sounds good. A clause that says after three months of inactivity without an LOA means the person has forfeited their right to be on the Board and a by-election for their position shall be held? Or alternatively the Board appoint someone to take over the role or someone on the Board takes on those duties?
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To the first two - that makes sense.
To the third - three months is a while (though in fairness, I don't envisage this organisation meeting too often) How about after two months of inactivity the other board members try to contact the person, if they can't, then it goes to public election? Current board members should be able to nominate themselves for the position also (if they win, the second voted person would get their position) but shouldn't be automatically given it ...
To the third - three months is a while (though in fairness, I don't envisage this organisation meeting too often) How about after two months of inactivity the other board members try to contact the person, if they can't, then it goes to public election? Current board members should be able to nominate themselves for the position also (if they win, the second voted person would get their position) but shouldn't be automatically given it ...
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander