Proposal
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Proposal
This is rather minor, however it is realisitic
Can I recommend we have something underneath Infantry like Conscript/Reservist that is worth .5? This would of course have less combat effectiveness than normal infantry but this would make things a little more realistic considering the fact that nations like Switzerland in real life have about 5000 normal infantry and almost 500 000 reservists...D. The strength of 25000 soldiers may be divided in the orbat into stronger ‘items’ as the Player sees fit. Following is the cost of a ‘standard’ item of the type listed below. Standard is understood as a basic level in use in current military, and an example of what is understood as standard is included in brackets afterwards. Orbats may use any or all of these items as they see fit.
Infantry = Light Infantry - 1 - (no special training or equipment)
Paratroops - 3 - (akin to the 81st and 101st Airborne)
Marines - 3 - (More relative to the British Royal Marines than the US Marine Corps)
Special Forces - 5 - (US SEALS and SAS)
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Re: Proposal
The beauty of Anunia, if the points thing is taken seriously, is that you can create units like that. I've seen, for example, medieval soldiers put in at 1/8th a normal soldier. You're quite welcome to, for your own purposes, put in reservists at 0.5, as long as you treat them as if they're half as good as a basic infantry. That would include simpler weaponry.
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Yes, I dont think they should have anything more than Ak47s, grenades and basic RPGs. Would make a mockery of the system if they could arm themselves better than that.
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Makes no sense, nations equip their reservists with the exact same equipment as their infantry.Lord_Montague wrote:Yes, I dont think they should have anything more than Ak47s, grenades and basic RPGs. Would make a mockery of the system if they could arm themselves better than that.
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Wouldn't their inherent weakness being their lack of consistent training, being reservists, rather than an equipment gap?
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Agreed on that. If I'm remembering my history correctly, the worse-equipment-for-conscripts is a rather medieval thing, since many soldiers had to buy their own equipment back then if they wanted to be armed with anything more than a pitchfork.
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It makes perfect sense from a points perspective. It may not be realistic, but if you want cheaper units, you have to make them half as good somewhere - basic equipment and basic training sound more reasonable to me than standard equipment and absolutely pathetic 'can't even shoot straight' training.Matt Kovac wrote:Makes no sense, nations equip their reservists with the exact same equipment as their infantry.Lord_Montague wrote:Yes, I dont think they should have anything more than Ak47s, grenades and basic RPGs. Would make a mockery of the system if they could arm themselves better than that.
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Exactly. Reservists/Conscripts would perhaps have lower morale and would take longer to mobilize, they also would have slightly lower training/experience then normal infantry would.chrimigules wrote:Wouldn't their inherent weakness being their lack of consistent training, being reservists, rather than an equipment gap?
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As long as that lower morale and less training/experience means they are half as effective as normal basic infantry ...
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Yes, when I drew up the term Light Infantry for the single point I was thinking more of your modern, highly trained professional infantry man like a US Infantry man or western European infantry man. I was not thinking of the sort of infantryman you'd find in Iran, China or North Korea. They should not be armed or armoured in the same manner as a 1 point infantry man.
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Isn't "Light Infantry" the term given to what modern, western infantrymen are?
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Are you delusional? The military training for infantry in eastern European countries is if anything more intense then in western European countries where they have more advanced weaponry but poorer training which is based on an offensive-peacekeeping mentality. Your mention of North Korean Military was if anything made with poor knowledge, they are plagued with absolute weaponry but the training for even their reservists is more intensive then any American, South Korean or Western basic military training. Basic training in the US military and in some other NATO militaries, is a joke. Just look at the physical requirements.Lord_Montague wrote:Yes, when I drew up the term Light Infantry for the single point I was thinking more of your modern, highly trained professional infantry man like a US Infantry man or western European infantry man. I was not thinking of the sort of infantryman you'd find in Iran, China or North Korea. They should not be armed or armoured in the same manner as a 1 point infantry man.
0.5 Would be equivalent to a Swiss reservist which is well trained and equipped, but lacks experience, morale and has long mobilization times. In their military they are armed exactly as Active duty servicemen are just like almost all other European countries.
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Kovac, why are you always to hostile?
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He's hostile because its me and he has an axe to grind.
Chrim, yes you're right. I was just making sure others knew of it too.
It does simply not fit in to have a person equipped with the sort weaponry a 1 pt man has placed at 0.5. Annunnia Common Law (ACL) suggests .5 for an insurgent. Now we all know an insurgent is not trained as well as a 1 pt man and will not be as well equipped though he probably has just as much or more verve than a 1 pt. To put in a reservist as .5 in light of this simply doesn't work.
Chrim, yes you're right. I was just making sure others knew of it too.
It does simply not fit in to have a person equipped with the sort weaponry a 1 pt man has placed at 0.5. Annunnia Common Law (ACL) suggests .5 for an insurgent. Now we all know an insurgent is not trained as well as a 1 pt man and will not be as well equipped though he probably has just as much or more verve than a 1 pt. To put in a reservist as .5 in light of this simply doesn't work.
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