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Culture Council Judges based on ...
We have the Upload System, we almost have a Council, now the question is ....
How do they judge us? Proposals have been given before but it's never been done in specifics, or been properly agreed on. There's also the question of what's best to judge on - quality or quantity. We certainly can't measure quantity blindly on the amount of items uploaded - for example, Babs has loaded all Gralan treaties up separately, I loaded all of Novatainia's laws in one document - clearly we can't count the treaties as ... what, 11* the score because there are 11 separate things.
But, that being said, if one nation loads up one really really good story, say, they can't rely on getting great culture just from that, and another nation with a dozen reasonable stories should get marked higher.
A possible way to do this fairly is to group things into categories and subcategories - for example, Treaties would be a Subcategory, as would Laws, within the larger category of State. You'd get a mark for each subcategory, and a mean mark for the category, which goes to your overall rating (A-G or whatever). The reason you have subcategories and categories is because a nation may be well developed, but not have EVERYTHING. So if a nation, say, has only one treaty and gets a low mark in that, but has many good laws etc they'd still get a reasonable mark for the category State, and then it wouldn't drag down their mean if they totally miss one subcategory (for example, Story, or Propaganda Posters).
Within each subcategory the rules could differ slightly depending on the specifics, but something along the lines of the top 5 submitted items are taken is probably a good start. So if Nation A has 20 flags and Nation B has two (very good) ones, Nation A doesn't get a hugely larger mark just because they have more flags.
An alternative to all this is to give each category (or even sub category) 3 marks.
1. For Amount
1. For General Quality
1. For other factors relevant to that type (eg for flags it may be image design, for Stories it might be plot, for treaties, grammar)
But that is probably WAY too complex.
As it is, with the culture up there so far (and ones I know will be added) we'd need subcategories for:
Treaties
Laws
War Charters
Flags
Anthems (or possibly just National Symbols)
Maps
Stories
History (Real)
History (Fictional)
National Holidays
Military Units
Expeditions
Wikis
and possibly ones for Claims (GSO), Games (I don't know about your nation but Novatainia has a board game, and Jasonia has Control of Destiny which alone should give them the almost top culture rating, it's that awesome), Speeches, War Posts, Awards (surely a FNORD for culture should count for something ), Famous Court Cases, Deaths (just for Jeremy) ...
the list goes on.
That, or just several large categories into which many items fit, and just the best 5-10 are taken:
State Symbols (flags, anthems, national fruits etc);
Beaurocratic Documents (Laws, Treaties, constitutions etc);
Military (Units, War posts, Propaganda etc);
Land (city descriptions, maps, images etc;);
History (real, imagined);
Other Creative Writing (Stories, Expeditions, Speeches);
Activities (this would include national games, Shireroth's Scavenger Hunts, Novatainia's DZ etc);
Economy (Budgets, Taxes, Trading etc).
Wiki (having one, articles etc)
And there are probably more ...
How do they judge us? Proposals have been given before but it's never been done in specifics, or been properly agreed on. There's also the question of what's best to judge on - quality or quantity. We certainly can't measure quantity blindly on the amount of items uploaded - for example, Babs has loaded all Gralan treaties up separately, I loaded all of Novatainia's laws in one document - clearly we can't count the treaties as ... what, 11* the score because there are 11 separate things.
But, that being said, if one nation loads up one really really good story, say, they can't rely on getting great culture just from that, and another nation with a dozen reasonable stories should get marked higher.
A possible way to do this fairly is to group things into categories and subcategories - for example, Treaties would be a Subcategory, as would Laws, within the larger category of State. You'd get a mark for each subcategory, and a mean mark for the category, which goes to your overall rating (A-G or whatever). The reason you have subcategories and categories is because a nation may be well developed, but not have EVERYTHING. So if a nation, say, has only one treaty and gets a low mark in that, but has many good laws etc they'd still get a reasonable mark for the category State, and then it wouldn't drag down their mean if they totally miss one subcategory (for example, Story, or Propaganda Posters).
Within each subcategory the rules could differ slightly depending on the specifics, but something along the lines of the top 5 submitted items are taken is probably a good start. So if Nation A has 20 flags and Nation B has two (very good) ones, Nation A doesn't get a hugely larger mark just because they have more flags.
An alternative to all this is to give each category (or even sub category) 3 marks.
1. For Amount
1. For General Quality
1. For other factors relevant to that type (eg for flags it may be image design, for Stories it might be plot, for treaties, grammar)
But that is probably WAY too complex.
As it is, with the culture up there so far (and ones I know will be added) we'd need subcategories for:
Treaties
Laws
War Charters
Flags
Anthems (or possibly just National Symbols)
Maps
Stories
History (Real)
History (Fictional)
National Holidays
Military Units
Expeditions
Wikis
and possibly ones for Claims (GSO), Games (I don't know about your nation but Novatainia has a board game, and Jasonia has Control of Destiny which alone should give them the almost top culture rating, it's that awesome), Speeches, War Posts, Awards (surely a FNORD for culture should count for something ), Famous Court Cases, Deaths (just for Jeremy) ...
the list goes on.
That, or just several large categories into which many items fit, and just the best 5-10 are taken:
State Symbols (flags, anthems, national fruits etc);
Beaurocratic Documents (Laws, Treaties, constitutions etc);
Military (Units, War posts, Propaganda etc);
Land (city descriptions, maps, images etc;);
History (real, imagined);
Other Creative Writing (Stories, Expeditions, Speeches);
Activities (this would include national games, Shireroth's Scavenger Hunts, Novatainia's DZ etc);
Economy (Budgets, Taxes, Trading etc).
Wiki (having one, articles etc)
And there are probably more ...
Andreas
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~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
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I like your idea of awarding 3 marks for quality, 3 for quantity and 3 for other
but other isn't really defined separately to quality
how about:
quantity 3 marks
quality 4 marks
relevance 3 marks
because a tonne of unrelated but good stories doesn't build culture that much
EDIT: This has actually re-instated my trust in the culture system
but other isn't really defined separately to quality
how about:
quantity 3 marks
quality 4 marks
relevance 3 marks
because a tonne of unrelated but good stories doesn't build culture that much
EDIT: This has actually re-instated my trust in the culture system
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Spangle, you're welcome to change the details, I'm just getting some ideas out there. Before the Council start judging we need a set criteria so everyone knows clearly what things are being judged on.
Andreas
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~Scott Alexander
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~Scott Alexander
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Has the criteria for them to judge on been decided? It can't function without both ...
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander