King Hasan I of Bosworth
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Ahh, guys ... the reason the treaty failed in the first place was because Josephus kept fighting. First we tried to capture him peacefully, and so he raised a whole rebellion. Since we're trying to pacify (article 3 -
The matter of Interland is ambiguous. They never signed the treaty, and they're the furthest thing in this war from a Shirithian lackey, having never been in our war forums or taken orders from us. They're acting on their own whim. And as to the pointlessness of the argument - you know you can end this war easily Jeremy. If you don't know, ask Joe, he does ...
) it from them, the actions against the Nova English were justified. A bit heavy handed, perhaps, but being able to attack them in the first place was justified.The Imperial Government shall install in the Duchy of Gascony a Shirerithian of noble rank therein to administer and oversee the pacification of the said territory and to ensure that it shall not be used as a platform for any future offensive actions against Shireroth or any of its allied powers.
King Edward never went to Shirekeep, so arguably Article seven had already been violated and hostilities should have been 'resumped'. (What an odd word ... resumped ...) (And yes, I know, that transferred immediately to Dominique and now to Hasan, but Dominique never went there either)Article Six
The person of King Edward shall remain at Shirekeep at the pleasure of His Imperial Majesty until such time as the terms of this capitulation have been complied with fully by the Bosworth Government.
Article Seven.
Violation of any of the above articles by Bosworth of any subject of King Edward shall result in the resumption of hostilities and or the forefiture of Gascony to Shireroth.
The matter of Interland is ambiguous. They never signed the treaty, and they're the furthest thing in this war from a Shirithian lackey, having never been in our war forums or taken orders from us. They're acting on their own whim. And as to the pointlessness of the argument - you know you can end this war easily Jeremy. If you don't know, ask Joe, he does ...
Andreas
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I think there are some people here who have overlooked the crucial bit of intermicronational and Micran law in creating this treaty. If I'm right, and can the MCS Council confirm this, but you cannot be head of state for two countries on Micras can you?
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You can't without combining them. Which means Jeremy was in contravention of that with three nations he was head of state on at once before this war ... thanks for bringing that up, Monty.
Properly speaking though the Head of State is meant to be for a short period of time until rebellions stop and Bosworth is on the process to be rebuilding (like the occupation of Iraq, say). It's all these people still rebelling and declaring a new King (or President) every week that's holding the 'Hasan giving up the throne as planned' up ...
Seriously though ... Monty, I know we never officially did this under a charter, but if we had, the judge is allowed to draw up a forced surrender to all sides based on what's happened to date. Don't know if either side would agree to it ... but worth a try, surely? I'm not holding my breath for someone ending this war in a sensible manner, so ...
Properly speaking though the Head of State is meant to be for a short period of time until rebellions stop and Bosworth is on the process to be rebuilding (like the occupation of Iraq, say). It's all these people still rebelling and declaring a new King (or President) every week that's holding the 'Hasan giving up the throne as planned' up ...
Seriously though ... Monty, I know we never officially did this under a charter, but if we had, the judge is allowed to draw up a forced surrender to all sides based on what's happened to date. Don't know if either side would agree to it ... but worth a try, surely? I'm not holding my breath for someone ending this war in a sensible manner, so ...
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
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Temporary still means he has two crowns on his head for two separate nations and I haven't seen Bosworth become a Shireithian duchy yet so there is a bit of trouble in that respect. And I would have thought you could have drawn a better precedent than the occupation of Iraq....
One could argue that having abided by the rules of the charter in your force make up and the fact that secret moves have been sent to me, you have all accepted the charter and my judging on it.....would anyone care to disagree?
But if I were to impose a peace settlement, I'll tell you now that Bosworth will be a separate micronation and that Shireroth will have its influence over its affairs heavily curtailed. I'm sorry but while I agree that what you've done its perfectly legal, the precedent that could be set with the current situation rumbling along as it is, is too worrying for me to sign off on.
One could argue that having abided by the rules of the charter in your force make up and the fact that secret moves have been sent to me, you have all accepted the charter and my judging on it.....would anyone care to disagree?
But if I were to impose a peace settlement, I'll tell you now that Bosworth will be a separate micronation and that Shireroth will have its influence over its affairs heavily curtailed. I'm sorry but while I agree that what you've done its perfectly legal, the precedent that could be set with the current situation rumbling along as it is, is too worrying for me to sign off on.
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King Ardashir of Bosworth
Really - that tiresome rule again... oh well... I am please to announce to the Kingdom of Bosworth, its new Shirerithian appointed King, me.Guido Zambelis wrote:monty is right. i think as shireroth are the largest contraveners in terms of land space, they should be removed at the next update*
*for all you retarded mango-fuckers, that was a joke.
I will naturally place myself under house arrest in Shirekeep until His Imperial Majesty instructs otherwise.
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Hardly impossible for an absolute monarch. Perhaps he had an inner monologue and awarded himself parole. We'd have to ask him. :pGuido Zambelis wrote:which means hesam was keeping himself at his own pleasure, legally impossible. this treaty is starting to unravel a little.
As far as I can see the treaty remains sound.
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Or a split personality.Ardashir Khan wrote:Hardly impossible for an absolute monarch. Perhaps he had an inner monologue and awarded himself parole. We'd have to ask him. :pGuido Zambelis wrote:which means hesam was keeping himself at his own pleasure, legally impossible. this treaty is starting to unravel a little.
As far as I can see the treaty remains sound.