OAM bans Micras nations
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Re: OAM bans Micras nations
Indeed so. While I would not say we're outright ashamed of being micronationalists, but it is such a niche hobby that it's best that we keep it to ourselves unless given a reason to do otherwise. Why? Because we understand that people get annoyed when force fed obscure hobbies. It boils down to us being geeks and like all geeks we keep geek knowledge within the geek sphere. Although in the vast universe that is geekdom, one niche does not jive with another. Go talk to a Trekkie about Star Wars and visa versa (although if you're like me you like both). It's nothing to do with shame as much as it is simple geek etiquette.Maximos wrote:I guess what I always thought was problematic about seccessionist micronationalists is that once you do move on, the public attention you've tried to get for your micronation (and there must inevitably be an element of that as the end goal of all seccessionist states is to be recognised as legitimate) may well remain- but not for the better. For example, when or if George of Atlantium decides to give up the hobby, he will always be remembered by some people as the grown man who used to walk around central Sydney with a Presidential sash and pay to have coins made with his face on them. When Micrans leave, we can just delete our websites and micronations folders and the only people who ever need know are other micronationalists. Quite a sobering thought for seccessionists, I guess.
As for the George of Atlantium thing...well...for fear of him showing up I refrain, Max pretty much hit the nail on the head so I need not fuel the fire.
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Zand Gozâr - Grand Vizier & Satrap of Kumarastan, Kingdom of Babkha
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Re: OAM bans Micras nations
It doesn't help either that the scope of the hobby is intentionally confusing. If you're a Trekkie, you have an unnatural love of Star Trek, but that's pretty harmless other than to your social life. But micronationalism is formed on the idea of creating seperate countries. To a lot of people, I can see how that would sound illegal and dangerous. Indeed, it's one of the reasons I deal so much with simulation and intentionally impossible fantasy elements - to make quite clear the difference between what I do and what people could see as criminal behavior. I'm no longer at the point in my life where I would lightly throw away my job and career because of a weird hobby.
Re: OAM bans Micras nations
If you're a Trekkie, you have an unnatural love of Star Trek, but that's pretty harmless other than to your social life.
Fortunately they're usually closed events.
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Re: OAM bans Micras nations
And I was not accussing you. It was a general statement. After I can't really masquerade as Zona anymore, I would probably hand it on to younger citizens. I have designed it in such a way. I understand that you cannot really go....wait.... Aren't we forgetting Kevin Baugh here? He's awesome!SaiKar wrote:I'm pretty sure I did nothing of the sort. I'm simply stating that, if you're going to be an adult and a serious micronationalist, as in seriously trying to claim real land as a separate country, you'd better be a serious micronationalist or you'll be branded as an eccentric, a looney, or a criminal. As in, setting up in the poorly-enforced countryside is your best and truly only hope.
But, now I will be a bit pointed. The fact that most physical micronations are being run by the young suggests that there is something in their model that does not transition well into adulthood, as if it is nothing more than a childhood game. This alone, let aside any other issues, makes me wonder if it’s their ideas that are the unserious ones, as well as thins my patience when these types of groups attempt to discredit us in any way. And it’s a never-ended battle. For every one micronation that seems to understand where we are coming from (or, rather, where we came from and how we got where we are now,) there are a dozen new ones that don’t care and only toss insults. It’s exhausting.
I started micronationalism with a small group of RL friends in high school about a decade ago. I didn't call it micronationalism then. I'm not sure we called it anything. It was just a way to pretend to be revolutionaries even though we had no real idea what we were saying. It was fun. But they all got bored of it and we went to different colleges and I never saw most of them again. I liked the idea of simulated politics and world building so I transitioned into the internet fully to fill that niche and have been there ever since.
What will you do when the same happens to you? Your options are quite limited, you will find out.