Damev - Judges's clarification required
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Damev - Judges's clarification required
Damev seems to be a mountain structure. I am guessing something akin to NORAD.
Now, as far as I remember, I fired 10 to 15 missiles at it, along with lobbing several bombs at it. Most recent attack being some 2,000 lb bombs being dropped.
Anyways, I am trying to figure out the damage estimate on this city/place.
Is it suffice to say that after 24-houring the first attack (10 to 15 missiles), that the opening and several layers inside have been blown open? Even if we assume that the entire place is surrounded by mountains, the missiles can easily travel within the large space inside. All I would need is one or two (ok, take four) missile to blow open the main doors, after which the rest would just follow through inside and cause damage in the unarmored place. i can't imagine the entire Damev facility being built with heavy armor throughout, from floor to walls to ceiling to secondary doors to tertiary doors to oh i dont know, the vents and the tubes running through the place.
Its also safe to assume that, given the nature of attack is surprise and all, that the doors inside would not have been sealed (if they even have those!). Thereby allowing the missiles to fly into the structure and keep flying till it impacts something, be it the other side of the mountain.
In any case, 10 to 15 missiles should cause quite a significant damage to the place. The least of which should be causing enough structural damage to cause parts of the mountain to come down under its own weight.
I'd just like to know what sort of damage to expect before my next attack, which I think might be the last one. I'd like to tailor that attack accordingly.
Now, as far as I remember, I fired 10 to 15 missiles at it, along with lobbing several bombs at it. Most recent attack being some 2,000 lb bombs being dropped.
Anyways, I am trying to figure out the damage estimate on this city/place.
Is it suffice to say that after 24-houring the first attack (10 to 15 missiles), that the opening and several layers inside have been blown open? Even if we assume that the entire place is surrounded by mountains, the missiles can easily travel within the large space inside. All I would need is one or two (ok, take four) missile to blow open the main doors, after which the rest would just follow through inside and cause damage in the unarmored place. i can't imagine the entire Damev facility being built with heavy armor throughout, from floor to walls to ceiling to secondary doors to tertiary doors to oh i dont know, the vents and the tubes running through the place.
Its also safe to assume that, given the nature of attack is surprise and all, that the doors inside would not have been sealed (if they even have those!). Thereby allowing the missiles to fly into the structure and keep flying till it impacts something, be it the other side of the mountain.
In any case, 10 to 15 missiles should cause quite a significant damage to the place. The least of which should be causing enough structural damage to cause parts of the mountain to come down under its own weight.
I'd just like to know what sort of damage to expect before my next attack, which I think might be the last one. I'd like to tailor that attack accordingly.
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Re: Damev - Judges's clarification required
I read the post of how it was built (mythical legend I'll assume considering the reality issues). Yet, in the description it said Damev would be built into the side of the moutain? Personally, I'd say it was fully exposed to the outside world if it was built into the side.
Someone from Novatainia and Tokidoki need to clarify that language.
As for Extreme's argument, it all depends on how many entrances and the angle at which the missiles were fired in my opinion. Extreme was hampered (I dont think anybody would disagree with that) by the fact he did not know the exact nature of Damev in his first attack and so he cannot rely on 24 houring to say he deliberately attacked the entrance of Damev but just Damev in general.
If someone can from the Novatainia and Tokidoki can propose a compromise that is acceptable to extreme and themselves, I'm happy with that. If someone cannot, I'll impose damages in the interests of fairness.
Someone from Novatainia and Tokidoki need to clarify that language.
As for Extreme's argument, it all depends on how many entrances and the angle at which the missiles were fired in my opinion. Extreme was hampered (I dont think anybody would disagree with that) by the fact he did not know the exact nature of Damev in his first attack and so he cannot rely on 24 houring to say he deliberately attacked the entrance of Damev but just Damev in general.
If someone can from the Novatainia and Tokidoki can propose a compromise that is acceptable to extreme and themselves, I'm happy with that. If someone cannot, I'll impose damages in the interests of fairness.
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ok to clarify. residences and other civilian structures are build on the outside of the mountain. think something between puye cliff dwellings http://www.legendsofamerica.com/NM-PuyeCliff.html and minus tirith from lord of the rings.
important military and production however is housed within the mountain, yes similar to NORAD. So you probably did significant damage to the surface structures. but not to the subterranean ones. (please remember you dont really have any intelligence on anything about whats under the mountain let alone the precise location of entrances. and for blowing a hole in the mountain. rock is tuff stuff its hard to just blow a hole in it. remember NORAD was designed to survive a Nuclear blast so i think my mountain can handle a few thousand pounds of conventional weapons.
important military and production however is housed within the mountain, yes similar to NORAD. So you probably did significant damage to the surface structures. but not to the subterranean ones. (please remember you dont really have any intelligence on anything about whats under the mountain let alone the precise location of entrances. and for blowing a hole in the mountain. rock is tuff stuff its hard to just blow a hole in it. remember NORAD was designed to survive a Nuclear blast so i think my mountain can handle a few thousand pounds of conventional weapons.
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ok.. so, do we assume that the initial missile strike destroyed several civilian structures, resulting in large number of deaths? after that the next two strikes of aircraft-dropped bombs destroyed further buildings that were still standing.
now, everything that is not inside the mountain is ruble ? i am assuming that this 'city' outside the mountain isn't really a big one.
now, everything that is not inside the mountain is ruble ? i am assuming that this 'city' outside the mountain isn't really a big one.
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may i ask why it matters?
honestly the city isn't a threat there is nothing there that will make any difference in this war. There is no reason that any of this is practical let alone necessary.
to that end i will say there is nothing left that you can see of any structures and still no response has been made against your forces but i refuse to post any specific casualties or damage reports.
i ask that you not pursue the matter of slaughtering my citizens any further.
thank you.
honestly the city isn't a threat there is nothing there that will make any difference in this war. There is no reason that any of this is practical let alone necessary.
to that end i will say there is nothing left that you can see of any structures and still no response has been made against your forces but i refuse to post any specific casualties or damage reports.
i ask that you not pursue the matter of slaughtering my citizens any further.
thank you.
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Re: Damev - Judges's clarification required
If you don't post casualties, i shall. Or I shall ask the judges to do so.
If you see no reason for me attacking your cities, then in a tit-for-tat argument, I could say that I see no reason for Toketi and her citizens (who are participating in this war) to be in this war, against Shireroth, Lovely, Batavia etc...
If you see no reason for me attacking your cities, then in a tit-for-tat argument, I could say that I see no reason for Toketi and her citizens (who are participating in this war) to be in this war, against Shireroth, Lovely, Batavia etc...
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Toketi is Novatainia's chief ally. It's like Shireroth refusing to help Batavie/Maraguo.
And you're a mercenary, you can't talk! Surely the people paying you didn't pay you for this.
And you're a mercenary, you can't talk! Surely the people paying you didn't pay you for this.
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Re: Damev - Judges's clarification required
As I ranted IC Nick, it's standard procedure for (poor quality) mercenaries. Why fight actual armies when you can attack defenceless civilians and ignore the rest of the army because it's not orbatted? You watch, now that two Tokians have come orbatted, he'll high-tail it out of there.
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BUt won't his superiors IC be annoyed that he's not doing anything?
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dude, that was just a retort, to his statement (which he has mentioned a million times now) that he sees no point in me attacking Toketi. I didn't really mean that I actually dont see a reason for Toketi to be in this war. I know you guys are allies and thus your reason for being in this war.
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Well you dont see a reason for Toketi to be in the war then realize that its not. All the "tokian" participants are also citizens of Novataina. I AM A NOVATAINAN.
And i never said i wouldn't do casualties i just said i wont give you specific numbers.
And i never said i wouldn't do casualties i just said i wont give you specific numbers.
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Hey... that's right... speaking of which, where's Prodigy gone?
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I'm still here. I've just been rather tired recently...
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