Demon of North
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Demon of North
Hate to point this out to you, but tell me where I am ? Tell me what route I am taking ? How you found where my ships were ? And how you got past the defenses ?
I am not going to reveal more than that at the moment, as I don't want you to know what sort of surprises (for you.. defenses for me) I have waiting for you.
Nonetheless, you did fire all those 60 cruise missiles, 48 Harpoons and 31 torpedoes. At what, is the question we have to solve. Either those are my ships, or they are neutral ships.
I am not going to reveal more than that at the moment, as I don't want you to know what sort of surprises (for you.. defenses for me) I have waiting for you.
Nonetheless, you did fire all those 60 cruise missiles, 48 Harpoons and 31 torpedoes. At what, is the question we have to solve. Either those are my ships, or they are neutral ships.
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Re: Demon of North
Well lets see you have been harrassing my nation for a week... granted that doesnt give me your exact location however.
I left the jasonian isles shortly after the end of my battle with max arriving in tokish waters on the 18th. you didnt leave those waters until the 20th at 2:12 am (est i think)
and for your defenses thats what a response is for. you were moving somewhat quickly and i had been trailing or watching you for a day.
If you still dont think i could have found you remember monty himself said that subs could hear you 100 km/m away so with my 20 subs i could cover alot of ground.
further i was going to see what intel i would have learned by observing but i wanted to make this attack before you got involved in something else so couldn't wait for Vilhelm to get back to me.
anyway you have tricks i have tricks lets fight a battle instead of you just wrecking my cities without me being able to hit back.
I left the jasonian isles shortly after the end of my battle with max arriving in tokish waters on the 18th. you didnt leave those waters until the 20th at 2:12 am (est i think)
so i had time to find you or the chain of supply ships feeding your forces. then probably observe what was going on for a day.Summary:
Din Arran's carrier sunk with 7 F-35s on board. I don't know where the rest went.
My fleet is now leaving Toketi. Fleet information (as in, which ship is where) is PMed to judge.
and for your defenses thats what a response is for. you were moving somewhat quickly and i had been trailing or watching you for a day.
If you still dont think i could have found you remember monty himself said that subs could hear you 100 km/m away so with my 20 subs i could cover alot of ground.
further i was going to see what intel i would have learned by observing but i wanted to make this attack before you got involved in something else so couldn't wait for Vilhelm to get back to me.
anyway you have tricks i have tricks lets fight a battle instead of you just wrecking my cities without me being able to hit back.
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Re: Demon of North
Finally, the Nelagan side secret-moves strike back!
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Re: Demon of North
I didn't move until the 20th because of the issue surrounding Din Arran's aircrafts. I waited a long time to get some form of response. Technically speaking, I could have moved out right away after launching the attack. But I had to wait for Din's response, which he didn't. I then had to give him 24 hours, and am pretty sure I gave him more. Well, realistically speaking, we wouldn't be able to battle. Your units came from a 'future' time space into the 'slower' one. Think of it as me having attacked Din on April 15th at 1450, and your attack arriving at April 17th at 2320. the time in between, still needs to be played out by my unit. Other words, say I finish my battle with Din at around the same time as you finished with Max, then you need close to three days or more of travel time to get to me. Its about the same time that i need to get to wherever I wanted to go. But what the hell... I am up for a proper fight. So, screw the time-relativity issue.
However, I am not going to take your move, primarily because I got units out just waiting for such an attack. You'll notice, that in each of my posts, i only reference a few ships. That's because the rest are out defending me. I would have detected you long long before you even got within range to fire a missile at me. I am guessing you didn't send the PM to Montague, but to Vilhelm instead. Vilhelm, I am sure you are aware of my ships just waiting for just such a move by the enemy. Could you please help clarify this.
Demon, rest assured, I highly doubt our engagement is going to be taking place within a region from where you can fire off a missile at my carrier.
However, I am not going to take your move, primarily because I got units out just waiting for such an attack. You'll notice, that in each of my posts, i only reference a few ships. That's because the rest are out defending me. I would have detected you long long before you even got within range to fire a missile at me. I am guessing you didn't send the PM to Montague, but to Vilhelm instead. Vilhelm, I am sure you are aware of my ships just waiting for just such a move by the enemy. Could you please help clarify this.
Demon, rest assured, I highly doubt our engagement is going to be taking place within a region from where you can fire off a missile at my carrier.
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Re: Demon of North
Its true that I and vilhelm have all Extreme's secret moves.
Also for submarines hearing 100 miles away, they're known as convergence zones which gives approximations etc. For further reading, read Tom Clancy's Submarine.
Also for submarines hearing 100 miles away, they're known as convergence zones which gives approximations etc. For further reading, read Tom Clancy's Submarine.
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Re: Demon of North
Well Extreme its been over 24hrs and you haven't posted a response to my attack...
Fear not im not going to 24hr your fleet to the bottom of the ocean. however if i understood him correctly Monty has agreed to work up some damages based on what each of us had going on so i figure why not.
So instead of me posting an attempt at casualties with my limited information im turning it over to the judge who i believe now has everything he should need to work out what has happened so far.
This way your defenses can do something and hopefully we save some bickering. I just hope that my attack is still given justice.
Fear not im not going to 24hr your fleet to the bottom of the ocean. however if i understood him correctly Monty has agreed to work up some damages based on what each of us had going on so i figure why not.
So instead of me posting an attempt at casualties with my limited information im turning it over to the judge who i believe now has everything he should need to work out what has happened so far.
This way your defenses can do something and hopefully we save some bickering. I just hope that my attack is still given justice.
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Re: Demon of North
Like I said earlier, you are more than welcome to a battle. But my plans call for detecting enemy units long before they are within range to fire missiles at my carrier, or some of the other ships.
Just forward your PMs to Montague. Maybe take a screenshot of the original PM you sent to Vilhelm and send that as well. That will tell Montague roughly when you made your secret move, in relation to mine. And where all the ships are after wards, as a result.
I have been moving my ships quite a bit. If you caught me at a time when my units were defenseless (or weak), naturally you wouldn't want me to suddenly say that I got all my ships protecting me. And vice versa.
Just forward your PMs to Montague. Maybe take a screenshot of the original PM you sent to Vilhelm and send that as well. That will tell Montague roughly when you made your secret move, in relation to mine. And where all the ships are after wards, as a result.
I have been moving my ships quite a bit. If you caught me at a time when my units were defenseless (or weak), naturally you wouldn't want me to suddenly say that I got all my ships protecting me. And vice versa.
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Re: Demon of North
I indeed sent stuff to monty and as i said am more than willing to let him tell us what happened.
But again this battle is occurring.
But again this battle is occurring.
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Re: Demon of North
Would either of you mind me publishing the secret moves you've made here, so to provide clarity in the judgement?
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Re: Demon of North
As long as irrelevant secret moves aren't published, i am good with it. I am sure you wouldn't have done that anyway.
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Re: Demon of North
do whatever you need to do.
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Re: Demon of North
Extreme, as already stated, took defensive measures to make sure such an attack as the one launched by Demon does not catch him by surprise. These measures were as follows:
Demon's secret move when entering the area read as follows:
1. Extreme's Virginia Class subs detect the mini-subs (diesel subs in reality from what I'm aware). Diesel subs are noisy over extended areas of travel as they need to snorkel. If they're not diesel subs, which your orbat doesn't necessarily make clear with its "all-electric" description, then please say so. But if they are all-electric I doubt their ability to travel so far on batteries alone. Therefore, I would say those mini-subs were detected. From this point onwards we have two options:
a) Extreme's subs attack with the element of surprise, destroying and damaging a number of those mini-subs.
b) Extreme's subs hide away allowing those subs to move onwards while reporting on their movements.
The first option is the more likely and I will go with that. If you want me to impose those damages, just ask. Upon knowledge that his attack has been discovered, Demon's force then launches its attack while Extreme is now aware such an attack is occuring and sets his plans in motion. Demon's plan to trail Extreme has failed and he has attacked in an attempt to seize the initiative while Extreme has taken measures stop the said attack or what he presumes will be the said attack, which will be carried out by tomahawk cruise missiles. The Harpoon and Torpedo attacks will not be capable of being used as Demon's subs are too far away to fire those weapons.
And from here, this part of the war can continue.
Those two submarines are Extreme's Virginia Class submarines. They are passively on the look out and I presume Demon's submarines were more keen on looking for the carrier and fleet? (If not, raise an objection now). If so, this counts against them.X-1, X-2 and X-3 destroyer will protect the carrier. X-1 will stay a bit behind (so as to come into range of enemy aircrafts / missiles first) of the carrier. X-2 will stay near the carrier, while X-3 will stay ahead of the carrier. All ships are actively looking for enemy submarines, using their own systems and helicopters.
The two submarines that I had sent earlier to Hurmu and Verona, now begin moving far ahead of the carrier (and even the X-3). They are still on passive detection of enemy units.
Demon's secret move when entering the area read as follows:
This was followed by the next secret move after the attack:my mini-subs will be heading out to try to cover the most ground to find him when they make contact they will withdraw and radio the rest of my forces.
I realize extreme is attempting to move out so i probably wont be able to successfully attack him, but my plan is to tail him back to jasonia and hit him once he begins to get involved there.
only my mini subs will be getting close the wolf packs will be remaining a decent bit away. to avoid possible ASW attempts. further once ships start trailing they will do everything they can to reduce noise so as to reduce chance of detection.
So in conclusion, I can only propose the following course of events which I hope everybody accepts.the CAA Achird, CAA Maia, and CAA Zibal (hunter subs) are hanging back to engage if his subs show up/ protect the CAA Rana, CAA Alzirr and CAA Subra (missile subs)
the CAA Chara, CAA Haedi, CAA Sarin (hunter subs) however are reloading torpedoes and moving up to engage immediately (though still later than the first group)
and a defensive measure theCAA Alkes, CAA Keid, and CAA Turais each have six tubes and fired 5 torpedoes the last tube is being used to launch a decoy which sounds just like the sub cept a bit louder (slightly not obviously) which will continue on a different coarse from the subs to distract his counter attacks (against those, which are my bigger hunter subs)
mostly this is just because its somewhat secret as they are under water/it would effect extremes counter attack if he knew.
1. Extreme's Virginia Class subs detect the mini-subs (diesel subs in reality from what I'm aware). Diesel subs are noisy over extended areas of travel as they need to snorkel. If they're not diesel subs, which your orbat doesn't necessarily make clear with its "all-electric" description, then please say so. But if they are all-electric I doubt their ability to travel so far on batteries alone. Therefore, I would say those mini-subs were detected. From this point onwards we have two options:
a) Extreme's subs attack with the element of surprise, destroying and damaging a number of those mini-subs.
b) Extreme's subs hide away allowing those subs to move onwards while reporting on their movements.
The first option is the more likely and I will go with that. If you want me to impose those damages, just ask. Upon knowledge that his attack has been discovered, Demon's force then launches its attack while Extreme is now aware such an attack is occuring and sets his plans in motion. Demon's plan to trail Extreme has failed and he has attacked in an attempt to seize the initiative while Extreme has taken measures stop the said attack or what he presumes will be the said attack, which will be carried out by tomahawk cruise missiles. The Harpoon and Torpedo attacks will not be capable of being used as Demon's subs are too far away to fire those weapons.
And from here, this part of the war can continue.
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Re: Demon of North
My original idea was to let the enemy ships pass by, and then strike the enemy fleet from two sides, front by the carrier and fleet, and rear by the submarines. I suppose that's similar to point b.a) Extreme's subs attack with the element of surprise, destroying and damaging a number of those mini-subs.
b) Extreme's subs hide away allowing those subs to move onwards while reporting on their movements.
But obviously, now that I know what's actually happening, I can't use that strategy. Hmmmm...
Demon, do you want to simply start the battle anew? As in:
my surface fleet is moving from somewhere near Toketi heading South.
your other 12+ ships are somewhere further south, near perhaps that Toketi land East of Stomark.
your mini subs and my subs are in the waters North of Stomark. my subs surprise attack your submarines.
after the attack, your ships are now aware of the presence of possible submarines in the waters ahead. and i am aware of the potential of a large threat coming to me from your submarines. I say "possible" and "potential" because neither of our commanders know for sure that there are other ships in the region. you don't know if i have 2 or more, while i don't know if the mini-subs WAS the attack or if there's more attack ships coming.
and we start posting from that point onwards...
is that good?
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Re: Demon of North
Well my debate point is that no my subs are not supposed to be diesel.
they were supposed to use something similar to the US navy's Integrated power system
also just curious what it the weapons capability on a diesel sub such as on in the charter? my subs only have 2 forward and 1 aft tube so i figured that they had less offensive capability than a deisel but were stealthier.
also if his ships are moving at decent speed i would have probably ended up behind him or maybe along side his carrier, but his subs are out far ahead. I dont think i would have run into them.
However if you dont think my reasoning is sound or believable then even if I was found out i would still have launched the attack after getting in range for the harpoons.
I have 20 subs so even if he saw me coming i dont think his two subs and four destroyers (which are listed as having an anti-air focus) would be able to completely stop my attack.
Also for dealing with his subs
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they were supposed to use something similar to the US navy's Integrated power system
also just curious what it the weapons capability on a diesel sub such as on in the charter? my subs only have 2 forward and 1 aft tube so i figured that they had less offensive capability than a deisel but were stealthier.
also if his ships are moving at decent speed i would have probably ended up behind him or maybe along side his carrier, but his subs are out far ahead. I dont think i would have run into them.
However if you dont think my reasoning is sound or believable then even if I was found out i would still have launched the attack after getting in range for the harpoons.
I have 20 subs so even if he saw me coming i dont think his two subs and four destroyers (which are listed as having an anti-air focus) would be able to completely stop my attack.
Also for dealing with his subs
I realize i will lose some subs probably a good chuck of my mini's but i think i have enough punch to cause some serious trouble.the CAA Achird, CAA Maia, and CAA Zibal (hunter subs) are hanging back to engage if his subs show up
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I knew your forces where in tokish waters (where i started following you) since you launched those attacks on my territory. true i dont know your force make up. But I arrived in tokish waters on i believe the 18th and you posted your leaving on the 20th which for 20 subs should have been enough time to find you while you were off the coast loading your men onto your ships.I say "possible" and "potential" because neither of our commanders know for sure that there are other ships in the region.
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Re: Demon of North
Er.. there's a slight confusion here. let me explain.
Say, Toketi is Iraq. and New Zealand is Jasonia.
my ships are leaving Iraq waters and traveling down the Persian gulf. my submarines are in the Arabian sea (somewhere near India and Sri Lanka). their goal was to detect enemy ships approaching towards my ships, and thus warn me of an attack long before you are in range.
now, it matters not if my surface fleet left Toketi on the 18th or 20th, because my submarines were present at their position since the first attack took place in Toketi.
Thus, with you not knowing that, your mini-submarines ran into some waters thinking it was safe for a bit more while. but boom! torpedoes everywhere aimed at them!
and thus, you never got the chance of being able to follow and observe my ships, because you didn't get there. we have a mini-battle to fight prior to you getting the chance to come to Persian gulf, so to speak.
so, its something like um... my submarines and your mini-subs are engaged in a battle near Sri Lanka, while the rest of my fleet is near Iraq, while yours is near Eastern parts of Australia.
Say, Toketi is Iraq. and New Zealand is Jasonia.
my ships are leaving Iraq waters and traveling down the Persian gulf. my submarines are in the Arabian sea (somewhere near India and Sri Lanka). their goal was to detect enemy ships approaching towards my ships, and thus warn me of an attack long before you are in range.
now, it matters not if my surface fleet left Toketi on the 18th or 20th, because my submarines were present at their position since the first attack took place in Toketi.
Thus, with you not knowing that, your mini-submarines ran into some waters thinking it was safe for a bit more while. but boom! torpedoes everywhere aimed at them!
and thus, you never got the chance of being able to follow and observe my ships, because you didn't get there. we have a mini-battle to fight prior to you getting the chance to come to Persian gulf, so to speak.
so, its something like um... my submarines and your mini-subs are engaged in a battle near Sri Lanka, while the rest of my fleet is near Iraq, while yours is near Eastern parts of Australia.