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Andreas
You do realize that by posting that, you have just shown an example of a case of god-modding? I posted in the longbow of toketi thread saying that I might be moving to Paribia, and that I might be launching an attack on Novatainia. And immediately, your commanders are taking precautions to avoid exactly that ! There's no way for Frederick to know that my ships are headed to Paribia or that i might be launching an attack there.Frederick has the Novatainian Satellite system on full alert. Note that that includes satellites over Paribia and Magellan. They are scouring for Extreme's main fleet, and any stray ships that may be attempting to make some sort of attack on Novatainia or those parts of Toketi we can see. Citizens everywhere are aware they may be required to evacuate. Ex-Academy personnel are ready to assist civilians in evacuation where necessary.
He could know that there might be an attack on North Novatainia someplace, since I attacked there ! But Paribia and Magellan are in a different place.. and none outside of my commanders would know that i am moving south with my fleet.
Not that I care, but this is just to let you know that you have god-modded there. If you provide some logic as to why your commanders think an attack is inbound on Paribia/Magellan, then show that in the story post.
Also, just to let you know, if I launch an attack at say Paribia from by submarines, then you wouldn't know of an inbound missile attack on Paribia until:
1. If i attack from the harbour, then you wouldn't know at all until you saw the missiles fired from the water. Satellites rendered useless in this case.
2. If I attack from say 20 to 30kms, or nearby the island such that you satellite is observing that part of water, then probably by the time the missiles reach half way mark (or before that by a bit).
3. If I attack from farther than that distance, say 200kms, I doubt your satellites cover that region. So, again, satellites rendered useless. You'll be aware of this attack, when the first missile strikes.
4. I could even launch an attack from the stomarkian waters, which may or may not be observed by your satellites.
5. I could launch an attack from North of Paribia, or South, or East or West... is your satellite covering all of that region? continuously at all times?
Just some points for you to ponder upon, while I plan my attack.
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Re: Andreas
Extreme, here's where you have to realise the difference between IC and Summary. I put in the comment about Paribia to make you aware, not to say that Frederick is highlighting it's defence. I believe I gave the IC justification in my post - perhaps it wasn't clear. It didn't seem an action that merited a lot of backstory, so I shrunk it. I assume that North is capable of making contact with us, and hence, he can report that he has not encountered the full fleet, and others might be around. Hence, considering your previous attack on Novatainia, the fact that everybody on Micras knows you're moving from Toketi to Jasonia (though not the route), and reports from the Carrier that we may not know the exact position of your fleet, it seems logical to search for that fleet and be wary of attacks. You criticised my level of paranoia last time, so I made sure I posted it beforehand this time.
As for the satellite range, read its description or the CITRA description. It's a non-orbatted unit "defending" other non-orbatted units. You're the one who seems to have invented the idea that we can take a bunch of non-orbatted units to help orbatted ones. You've even said you're using Babkhan satellites. Well, we have satellites that were pre-existing and were designed after WW2 to do exactly this task. I'll worry about how helpful it need be if I need to use it. You've had your firing random missiles at people. Why not stop attacking random non-orbatted people and actually do something, anything, in the war? So far you seem to be a mercenary hired to attack non-combatants and not on either side of the war, and even Babkha would only do that against the Elfinshi. Wrong area of Micras for them, mate Why not attack the Lovely fleet and blame it on the Anticans or something exciting like that?
As for the satellite range, read its description or the CITRA description. It's a non-orbatted unit "defending" other non-orbatted units. You're the one who seems to have invented the idea that we can take a bunch of non-orbatted units to help orbatted ones. You've even said you're using Babkhan satellites. Well, we have satellites that were pre-existing and were designed after WW2 to do exactly this task. I'll worry about how helpful it need be if I need to use it. You've had your firing random missiles at people. Why not stop attacking random non-orbatted people and actually do something, anything, in the war? So far you seem to be a mercenary hired to attack non-combatants and not on either side of the war, and even Babkha would only do that against the Elfinshi. Wrong area of Micras for them, mate Why not attack the Lovely fleet and blame it on the Anticans or something exciting like that?
Andreas
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Re: Andreas
Are you kidding me? My plans were known to the other guys on my team. And my plan has achieved what it set out to do. Though, not necessarily as effective as I had imagined it. But oh well, you'll find out what it was all about when the war is over and you find some one to tell you the plans.Why not stop attacking random non-orbatted people and actually do something, anything, in the war? So far you seem to be a mercenary hired to attack non-combatants and not on either side of the war,
Hmmmm.. .interesting.. .makes Antica look bad diplomatically!Why not attack the Lovely fleet and blame it on the Anticans or something exciting like that?
Hastings and Chrisimgules are discussing the future of Antican Lovely co-operation on an island with both of their ships just out in visible sea. Suddenly a large explosion near the Lovelian ship occurs. And they fire back their guns at the Antican ship. Both Hastings and Chrisimgules pull a gun and point at each other.
"What are your men doing?" asked the two men to each other.
"You tell me.. your men fired at my ship first!" cried both at the same time.
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If you say so. It certainly wasn't what Scott originally intended for you or anyone on your team to do. (though it does fill his forty nine thousand, seven hundred, sixty six deaths well).
Andreas
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Re: Andreas
yes it wasn't what Scott initially wanted. I read his post and then PMed him my plan, along with other allies so they know what I was planning.
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So what you're saying is, in fact, you just made up your own plan and nobody else on your team bothered to say it was silly
Andreas
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~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
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Re: Andreas
No. They agreed with my plan because we all felt it would achieve something we intended on getting. Which like I said, did, but just not to the level I was hoping for.
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Re: Andreas
Just so I am aware of the exact situation,
NSS Camel is a carrier. Does it have all the aircrafts of all the friendly units nearby? as well as Longbow's 50 scalzins? what about longbow's aircrafts? are they on this carrier as well?
since you (andreas) seem to be involved in the battle near Jasonia, who all (your side) are in Jasonia and where/with what units? I am just trying to figure out who else might be headed my way, who all (and what units) are still in Jasonia..
NSS Camel is a carrier. Does it have all the aircrafts of all the friendly units nearby? as well as Longbow's 50 scalzins? what about longbow's aircrafts? are they on this carrier as well?
since you (andreas) seem to be involved in the battle near Jasonia, who all (your side) are in Jasonia and where/with what units? I am just trying to figure out who else might be headed my way, who all (and what units) are still in Jasonia..
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NSS Camel is the modified carrier designed for land units. It contains only the Sclazin and crew. But note that it does have some basic defences. And I think Longbow's plan of it's movement (if I interpret it right) is that his units would leave it before it got within radar range, and it would turn around. I'll let him confirm that.
As for the others - you've been most unhelpful thus far, and acted thoroughly against what I would consider the spirit of the recwar. You probably consider the same about our side, because you seem to have a thoroughly different idea what recwar is about. So though I'd think it within the spirit of good recwarring (in my understanding) to answer your question, the way you seem to present recwarring, such an action would be foolish in the extreme (no pun intended). We're all meant to be doing secret moves and you search for our fleets via satellite. Needle in a haystack was the expression, I believe So I'll compromise. To my knowledge, Longbow, Prodigy, Nick, Gman, and Fides and my ground forces are on Nelaga. Anticans are somewhere around Airosamente. My fleet (including Fides' planes on the other carrier) are somewhere. So are Prodigy's ships (I don't actually have too clear an idea where his ships are). Josephus is on Enhasa island, as is Nicholas, Harvey and Arehuat. The Omen is somewhere, heading for Nova Kajar, probably. And the Batavians are on Enhasa. And my paranoid civilians are doing their level best to not cease to be paranoid civilians If you want more specific information than that, you'll have to work it out yourself.
EDIT: And for the record, your use of the word god-modding in the first post of this thread is quite different from the way the charter uses it. I never said in my post how you responded.
As for the others - you've been most unhelpful thus far, and acted thoroughly against what I would consider the spirit of the recwar. You probably consider the same about our side, because you seem to have a thoroughly different idea what recwar is about. So though I'd think it within the spirit of good recwarring (in my understanding) to answer your question, the way you seem to present recwarring, such an action would be foolish in the extreme (no pun intended). We're all meant to be doing secret moves and you search for our fleets via satellite. Needle in a haystack was the expression, I believe So I'll compromise. To my knowledge, Longbow, Prodigy, Nick, Gman, and Fides and my ground forces are on Nelaga. Anticans are somewhere around Airosamente. My fleet (including Fides' planes on the other carrier) are somewhere. So are Prodigy's ships (I don't actually have too clear an idea where his ships are). Josephus is on Enhasa island, as is Nicholas, Harvey and Arehuat. The Omen is somewhere, heading for Nova Kajar, probably. And the Batavians are on Enhasa. And my paranoid civilians are doing their level best to not cease to be paranoid civilians If you want more specific information than that, you'll have to work it out yourself.
EDIT: And for the record, your use of the word god-modding in the first post of this thread is quite different from the way the charter uses it. I never said in my post how you responded.
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
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Re: Andreas
Hmm.... if his plan is to leave before it got into radar range... how does he know if he's 1 minute far from getting into radar range or 1 day ? something to help you fix your strategy a bit better.NSS Camel is the modified carrier designed for land units. It contains only the Sclazin and crew. But note that it does have some basic defences. And I think Longbow's plan of it's movement (if I interpret it right) is that his units would leave it before it got within radar range, and it would turn around. I'll let him confirm that.
also, when planning, assume our radar capabilities are same. so, if he detects me, i detect him... even if for a minute or two.
I am not asking for secret moves or anything specific. I am asking for what units are where. Kind of like drawing a map. Worry not, my commanders only know of troop information known to them via allied commanders. I asked you because you seemed to be online when we were posting earlier. So, you were the first person who could potentially reply and let me know.As for the others - you've been most unhelpful thus far, and acted thoroughly against what I would consider the spirit of the recwar. You probably consider the same about our side, because you seem to have a thoroughly different idea what recwar is about. So though I'd think it within the spirit of good recwarring (in my understanding) to answer your question, the way you seem to present recwarring, such an action would be foolish in the extreme (no pun intended). We're all meant to be doing secret moves and you search for our fleets via satellite. Needle in a haystack was the expression, I believe So I'll compromise. To my knowledge, Longbow, Prodigy, Nick, Gman, and Fides and my ground forces are on Nelaga. Anticans are somewhere around Airosamente. My fleet (including Fides' planes on the other carrier) are somewhere. So are Prodigy's ships (I don't actually have too clear an idea where his ships are). Josephus is on Enhasa island, as is Nicholas, Harvey and Arehuat. The Omen is somewhere, heading for Nova Kajar, probably. And the Batavians are on Enhasa. And my paranoid civilians are doing their level best to not cease to be paranoid civilians If you want more specific information than that, you'll have to work it out yourself.
The other option was to make a new thread, asking anyone to help out clear the situation.
I suppose. I also see the following as examples of god-modding,EDIT: And for the record, your use of the word god-modding in the first post of this thread is quite different from the way the charter uses it. I never said in my post how you responded.
I post about my ship captains talking each other saying they sail North to attack Rielrar and send ground units in.
Some opponent player says that he is moving his units from Novatica to Rielrar to prevent the attack from occuring and/or to surprise attack me at Rielrar.
That is god-modding in my opinion, even though he has never said how i responded.
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If they were just talking, certainly, in a non-magical war that would be cheating. If they actually sent the units, well, you guys seem to be much more specific about detection than I've ever seen in recwars previous.
(and yeah, I was reminded to say that the satellites I'd always assumed were on alert were on extra alert by your statement. The finding your ships I would have done anyway - it'll be helpful for Longbow to find your specific location, if you are anywhere near Novatainian waters. But I only hadn't posted before because I'd thought you'd said you were actually going to battle other units and stopped attacking non-orbatted stuff, and so I didn't bother posting that after the attack on Novatica was over. My major mistake regarding you in this war has been overestimating your decency and courage )
EDIT: Should clarify that. I thought your whole fleet was sailing down apart from that lone submarine that attacked Novatica and is now out of ammo. OOC I'd only been half skimming yours and North's attacks so hadn't noticed the missing units until you pointed it out. IC, it makes perfect sense that North would notice that, tell me, and I'd get nervous. So your OOC reminded me what I should already know IC, but hadn't bothered to check because I'd trusted to your decency etc ...
(and yeah, I was reminded to say that the satellites I'd always assumed were on alert were on extra alert by your statement. The finding your ships I would have done anyway - it'll be helpful for Longbow to find your specific location, if you are anywhere near Novatainian waters. But I only hadn't posted before because I'd thought you'd said you were actually going to battle other units and stopped attacking non-orbatted stuff, and so I didn't bother posting that after the attack on Novatica was over. My major mistake regarding you in this war has been overestimating your decency and courage )
EDIT: Should clarify that. I thought your whole fleet was sailing down apart from that lone submarine that attacked Novatica and is now out of ammo. OOC I'd only been half skimming yours and North's attacks so hadn't noticed the missing units until you pointed it out. IC, it makes perfect sense that North would notice that, tell me, and I'd get nervous. So your OOC reminded me what I should already know IC, but hadn't bothered to check because I'd trusted to your decency etc ...
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
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Re: Andreas
i'll give it to you, even though it is dubious. my fleet could all still be bearing down towards Jasonia, or towards Toketi.. all North sees is an ambush on his unit. North wasn't expecting my units where they are currently engaging. so, actually he's not even got the chance to see my fleet !IC, it makes perfect sense that North would notice that, tell me, and I'd get nervous. So your OOC reminded me what I should already know IC, but hadn't bothered to check because I'd trusted to your decency etc ...
but whatever. somewhere somehow (dare i say magically *rolls eyes*), you found out.
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Meh. I'm assuming his subs caught up to your now largely defenceless destroyers sometime.
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Re: Andreas
Um.. no they didn't.
Did you miss the whole example i gave based on real world stuff? if so, here goes: Actually a different location example
Say Toketi is Spain.. and Jasonia is Sri Lanka.
My surface fleet is heading from Spain east to go to Sri Lanka. My two submarines are somewhere at the Suez Canal or the Red Sea.
When North's submarines came, they engaged my submarines in the Red Sea. Thus, he never got a chance to see or fire at my surface fleets. In a way, so to speak, I ambushed his unit in the Red Sea.
Did you miss the whole example i gave based on real world stuff? if so, here goes: Actually a different location example
Say Toketi is Spain.. and Jasonia is Sri Lanka.
My surface fleet is heading from Spain east to go to Sri Lanka. My two submarines are somewhere at the Suez Canal or the Red Sea.
When North's submarines came, they engaged my submarines in the Red Sea. Thus, he never got a chance to see or fire at my surface fleets. In a way, so to speak, I ambushed his unit in the Red Sea.
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Meh again. Your subs just happened to find his, but your fleet is conveniently unlocatable ... whatever. I've given up on expecting you to recwar anything like I understand the meaning of the term. I'm just waiting for your fleet to be taken down one way or another, and for Scott to hurry up and post the backstory needed to end this madness.
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander