@extreme007: Sorry: minor typo
F-22
Does anyone have any other comments/problems/objections?@Lord_Montague: Don't ask me what it stands for, but they're remote controlled recon bots with small firearms. They are controlled by a screen built into a lens on a pair of sunglasses and a joystick...
Wikipedia it...
Tokian Royal Expeditionary Forces
Force Commander: Warleader Korstokk Melebroch of the Chelkran Elite Guard
The Blood Raptors (6,400)
==>1,000 Keshian Rangers [3,000]
==>380 Chelkran Elites [1,900]
==>50 Chelkran Battle Suits [1,500]
The Doom Knights (3,900)
==>200 Armored Elites [3,000]
==>8 Cerberus Main Battle Tanks [400]
==>5 Wildfire Chelkran Battle Tanks [500]
The Silver Wolves (2,700)
==>160 Armored Elites [2,400]
==>1 Longbow Mk. IV [300]
Tokian Reinforcements
Force Commander: General Lucas Hellia of the Satyrs
Tokian Naval Detachment (6,000)
==>2 CAA Cancer Class Attack Subs (based on Virginia Class) [3,000]
----TRN Kaikkivaltias
----TRN Langennut Valo
==>2 Aries Class Stealth Destroyers (based on Zumwalt Class) [3,000]
----TRN Dropkick
----TRN Kidneyshot
Chelkran Kensai (200)
==>20 Kensai stealth recon/assassin specialists [200]
The Satyrs (750)
==>150 Satyrs [750]
The Keshian Templars (2,050)
==>20 Keshian Templars [500]
==>50 Armored Elites [750]
==>160 Chelkran Elites [800]
The Dogs of War (1,600)
==>5 Wildfire Chelkran Battle Tanks [500]
==>10 Cerberus Main Battle Tanks [500]
==>2 Longbow Mk IV [600]
Tokian Aerial Detachment (1,400)
==>14 Corvus Class Gunships [1,400]
Total: 25,000
CAA Cancer class Attack sub (base on Virginia class)
points cost: 1,500 each
Armament: 30 VLS (vertical launch system) tubes, 6 torpedo tubes forward 2 torpedo tubes aft, mine laying systems, 4 decoy launchers, 5 Aquatic recon/decoy drones
Power plant: advanced nuclear reactor, MAPS power cells
Armor: sound and electronic dampening sonar absorbent hull, titanium secondary hull
Speed: 30+ knots
CAA Aries class Stealth Destroyers (based on the U.S. Zumwalt class destroyer)
points cost: 1,500 each
Armament: 90 VLS tubes(one group of 30, one group of 60), 3 sea ram launchers, 2 forward mounted retractable 155mm rail drivers (based on the US navy Advanced Gun System). 1 ASW Patrol Helicopter a MH-60R Seahawk, 5 aerial drones
Power plant: All-electric drive with integrated power system (IPS): 2 large 35-megawatt generators, 2 small 4-megawatt generators
Armor: electronic dampening radar absorbent hull, titanium secondary hull, inward sloped to reduce visibility and radar signature.
Speed: 35+ knots
Chelkran Elites
---FURY Special Combat Knife
---Zetix Improved Outer Tactical Vest (IOTV) Armor
---Extensive Weapons + Unarmed Training and Physical Conditioning
---HALO-drop Capable (attached Drop Cube)
---Necessity Supplies
++Chelkran Assault Elite Guard
==>Armament:
---CheLat MPR-07 Mutable Combat Weapon
++Chelkran Devastator Elite Guard
==>Armament:
---Javelin Missile System
---MP-10 SMG w/ Hollow Point rounds
++Chelkran Sharpshooter Elite Guard
==>Armament:
---Zastava M93 Black Arrow Anti-Material Rifle
---MP-10 SMG w/ Hollow Point rounds
---Ghillie Suit
Armored Elites
==>Armament:
---Right Hand; CheLat MPR-08 6.5mm Grendel Assault Rifle (auto-reload system)
---Left Hand; Chainsword
---Chelkran Powered Battle Armor
---Very Extensive Weapons Training and Physical Conditioning
---HALO-drop Capable (attached Drop Cube)
Chelkran Battle Suits
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 10'6" (320 cm)
---Width: 6'0" (183 cm) abreast
---Length: 4'0" (120 cm) front to back
==>Armament:
---Right Arm; M61 Vulcan Cannon
---Left Arm; LAW-80 Missile System
---5" Durium Chabhom Armor Plating
---Mid-strength Jump-jets (not to fly, for higher jumps)
---Rocket Roller Blades
---Life-Tracker Detection System
---High-Energy Laser Semi-automated Missile Defenses
---HALO-drop Capable (attached Drop Cube)
The Satyrs
==>Armament:
---CheLat MPR-08 6.5mm Assault Rifle
---CheLat SAP-4 Handgun
---Satyr Combat Armor
---HALO-drop capable
---Extensive stealth and combat training
The Kensai
==>Armament:
---Silenced P-90 SMG
---Silenced Colt M1911 Sidearm
---FURY Special Combat Knife
---SCUBA Gear and Gas Mask
---Kensai Ninja Armor
---VERY Extensive Physical Conditioning and Stealth Training
---HALO-drop Capable (attached Drop Cube)
Keshian Rangers
==>Armament:
---CheLat SAP-3 Handgun
---Combat/Survival Knife
---Kevlar Armor and Helmet
==>Layout: Squads of ten
---1 Commander: MPR-07 SMG, tactical radio gear
---4 Riflemen: MPR-07 Assault Rifle, Frag Grenades
---2 Heavy Gunners: MPR-07 Light Machine Gun, bi-pod mount
---2 Snipers: MPR-07 .50 BMG Sniper Rifle, P-90 SMG
---1 Tankbuster: Stinger Missile System, MP-5 Navy SMG
Longbow Mk IV Missile System
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 25'0" (7.6 m)
---Width: 12'6" (3.8 m) abreast, 14'0" (4.3 m) including arms
---Length: 8'0" (2.4 m) front to back
==>Armament:
---Twin "Mouth"-mounted M61 Vulcan Cannons
---Twin "Arm"-mounted 105mm Cannons
---Twin 10x10 "Shoulder"-mounted missile racks -- effective range: 95 miles
---High-Energy Laser Semi-automated Missile Defenses
CAA Corvus-class Gunships
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 32'7" (10 m)
---Width: 78'9" (24 m)
---Length: 98'6" (30 m)
==>Armament:
---Twin Front-mounted 70 mm Chainguns
---Two Internal Tankbuster Missile Racks (30 count)
---Two Exterior Hardpoint Missiles (Forward Wings)
---4 small wings; 2 vectoring thrusters on each of the forward wings, 1 on each of the rear wings
---Vertical-Take-Off-Landing (VTOL) Capable
==>Capacity:
---1 pilot, 1 co-pilot
---10 Chelkran Elite Guard, or 8 Armored Elites, or 5 Chelkran Battle Suits
Wildfire Chelkran Battle Tanks
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 14'0" (4.3 m)
---Width: 20'6" (6.25 m)
---Length: Hull 36'0" (11.0 m), Cannon forward 40'6" (12.3 m)
---Crew: 3 Chelkran (Commander, Gunner, Defensive Coordinator)
==>Armament:
---Twin-linked "Doom Cannon" Chemical Laser Cannons
---Twin Turret-mounted Anti-infantry Missile Pods
---Point Defense Turrets
---Semi-automated High-energy Laser Defenses
Cerberus Main Battle Tanks
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 12'0" (3.7 m)
---Width: 18'0" (5.5 m)
---Length: Hull 30'6" (9.3 m), Cannon Forward 32'0" (9.75 m)
---Crew: 4 Chelkran (Commander, Main Gunner, Point Defender, Defensive Coordinator)
==>Armament:
---Primary Weapon: 135mm Cannon (360 degree turret turn)
---Secondary Weapons: 3 60mm Cannons (left, right, forward)
---Tertiary Weapons: 2 Side-mounted 70mm Chainguns
---Point Defense Guns
---Semi-automated High-Energy Laser Defenses
Keshian Templars
As Armored Elites
Orbat of the Dragons
Blue Corps:
6 x AC-130 (750) = 4,500
-3 destroyed
8 x B1-Lancer (1000) = 8,000
6 x F-22-Raptor (1250) = 7,500
= 20,000
Green Corps:
10 x BUK G-A missile systems (300) = 3,000
50 x Class-1 Scalziin (40) = 2,000
=5,000
I think that's it.Definitions:
AC-130: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A ... ifications
B1 Lancer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-1_Lancer ... .28B-1B.29
F-22 Raptor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
>>note: stealth
BUKs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-11_Gadf ... 17M_Buk-M3
>> Notes: 9M317 specs
>>> 82,000 foot ceiling (25,000 m)
>>> 31 mile range (50 km)
>> equipped with necessary radar/ aircraft detection units. limited detection for stealth aircraft.
Scalziin: Soldiers (infantry) put under the most rigorous training in all of Toketi.
>> notes: in 5 groups of 10. 9 main infantry, 1 comm spec.
>> (per squad) 4 equipped with AA-12 shotgun, 3 with M93 sniper rifle, 2 with MPR-08 assault rifle, 1 with general purpose anti-tank rocket launcher.
>>all units familiar with all weapon types
>>generic supplies: body armor, helmet, food, canteen, field binoculars, etc.
>>all equipped with varying mines and appropriate skills (and tools) to use.
The F-22 has to be atleast 1200. They are stealth planes.Longbow of Toketi wrote:Orbat of the Dragons
Blue Corps:
6 x AC-130 (1250) = 7,500
8 x B1-Lancer (1000) = 8,000
6 x F-22-Raptor (750) = 4,500
= 20,000
Green Corps:
10 x BUK G-A missile systems (300) = 3,000
50 x Class-1 Scalziin (40) = 2,000
=5,000I think that's it.Definitions:
AC-130: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A ... ifications
>>note: added extra armament, but otherwise as listed.
B1 Lancer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-1_Lancer ... .28B-1B.29
F-22 Raptor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
BUKs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-11_Gadf ... 17M_Buk-M3
>> Notes: 9M317 specs
>>> 82,000 foot ceiling (25,000 m)
>>> 31 mile range (50 km)
>> equipped with necessary radar/ aircraft detection units.
Scalziin: Soldiers (infantry) put under the most rigorous training in all of Toketi.
>> notes: in 5 groups of 10. 9 main infantry, 1 comm spec.
>> (per squad) 4 equipped with AA-12 shotgun, 3 with M93 sniper rifle, 2 with MPR-08 assault rifle, 1 with general purpose anti-tank rocket launcher.
>>all units familiar with all weapon types
>>generic supplies: body armor, helmet, food, canteen, field binoculars, etc.
>>all equipped with varying mines and appropriate skills (and tools) to use.
EDIT: oh, deploying in Sai'Por
I am curious if this suit is allowed? Yes, some or most of the technology is available, but they haven't been put together in real life (as far as i know) other than in movies.Chelkran Battle Suits
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==>Dimensions:
---Height: 10'6" (320 cm)
---Width: 6'0" (183 cm) abreast
---Length: 4'0" (120 cm) front to back
==>Armament:
---Right Arm; M61 Vulcan Cannon
---Left Arm; LAW-80 Missile System
---5" Durium Chabhom Armor Plating
---Mid-strength Jump-jets (not to fly, for higher jumps)
---Rocket Roller Blades
---Life-Tracker Detection System
---High-Energy Laser Semi-automated Missile Defenses
---HALO-drop Capable (attached Drop Cube)
Well, Montague already mentioned not allowed but you seem to counter it. Well, here some more issues.Longbow Mk IV Missile System
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==>Dimensions:
---Height: 25'0" (7.6 m)
---Width: 12'6" (3.8 m) abreast, 14'0" (4.3 m) including arms
---Length: 8'0" (2.4 m) front to back
==>Armament:
---Twin "Mouth"-mounted M61 Vulcan Cannons
---Twin "Arm"-mounted 105mm Cannons
---Twin 10x10 "Shoulder"-mounted missile racks -- effective range: 95 miles
---High-Energy Laser Semi-automated Missile Defenses
That gunship seems more powerful than a normal aircraft. Infact, its even more stronger than a F-22 (without stealth). And you only cost it at 100. Hell, I am costing a simple utility helicopter at 50 and a AC-130 gunship which only has 1 or 2 "small" guns ("small" relative to your guns) at 150 !CAA Corvus-class Gunships
==>Dimensions:
---Height: 32'7" (10 m)
---Width: 78'9" (24 m)
---Length: 98'6" (30 m)
==>Armament:
---Twin Front-mounted 70 mm Chainguns
---Two Internal Tankbuster Missile Racks (30 count)
---Two Exterior Hardpoint Missiles (Forward Wings)
---4 small wings; 2 vectoring thrusters on each of the forward wings, 1 on each of the rear wings
---Vertical-Take-Off-Landing (VTOL) Capable
==>Capacity:
---1 pilot, 1 co-pilot
---10 Chelkran Elite Guard, or 8 Armored Elites, or 5 Chelkran Battle Suits
Again, a huge cost issue. You have put it at 100. I put for my orbat, a laser defense system at 30, a point defense system at 30, a missile defense system at 30, and the annunia convention puts a MBT (like M1A2) at 50.Wildfire Chelkran Battle Tanks
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==>Dimensions:
---Height: 14'0" (4.3 m)
---Width: 20'6" (6.25 m)
---Length: Hull 36'0" (11.0 m), Cannon forward 40'6" (12.3 m)
---Crew: 3 Chelkran (Commander, Gunner, Defensive Coordinator)
==>Armament:
---Twin-linked "Doom Cannon" Chemical Laser Cannons
---Twin Turret-mounted Anti-infantry Missile Pods
---Point Defense Turrets
---Semi-automated High-energy Laser Defenses
You have put it at 50. Annunia put MBT at 50. It doesn't mean all MBTs are 50. It means an MBT equivalent to M1A2 is at 50.Cerberus Main Battle Tanks
3. The Longbow Mk IV is a bi-pedal arrangement which is not feasible in the current or near future.
See above. Its far too heavy. And by not feasible, we aren't talking about Toketi or Shireroth or whatever other nation there is. We are talking about Russia, US, etc... If these guys can't do it yet in real life, neither can we.3. It is absolutely feasible. What's not feasible about it? Just because no one has doesn't mean we don't have the capability.
This one is for Montague, are we also not allowed to use it for defensive purpose like THEL systems? or that laser-on-aircraft-to-shoot-down-ICBMs-system thing (i forget name of this)?Furthermore, it has lasers which are BANNED TO EVERYONE bar the Omen Gravship due to its pre-existing nature and pivotal role in the story of this recwar.
1. Me and Monty really think that the Battlesuits are just a tad over the top. The M61 mounted on one arm for a specific point, along with the whole idea. If you could lose them in favour of Armoured Elites perhaps that would work.Prodigy Almighty, Toketi wrote:1. I have used the Battle suits internationally before and no one has complained, so I don't know why this becoming a problem now. If the judge (you) says I'm not allowed this time, I'll just replace them with more Armored Elites.
2. Oops, I had actually meant to remove those. I'll fix that! I copied the descriptions for the units from my Toketi OrBat, where people are more forgiving about post-modern technology.
3. It is absolutely feasible. What's not feasible about it? Just because no one has doesn't mean we don't have the capability.
3,4,5. The high-energy lasers mounted on these vehicles are strictly defensive, used to shoot down incoming missiles and other such large projectiles. They are using real-world current technology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THEL
4. Chemical lasers are real technology. Hell, the air force designed the COIL in 1977. They cannot operate with short bursts as would sci-fi laser technology, and they're rather huge, but they are real and they are effective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_laser
5. The main cannon is the only anti-armor weapon there, really. The other ones are mostly for infantry or other light support. And oops. I also meant to replace the side-mounted railguns with chainguns. It was late, like two in the morning... I'm sorry.
6. I drew these point values from my buddy who designed them. I'll take one of those Cancer attack subs out and make them 1,500. The Aries destroyers should be okay, though, I think.
7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOTV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M93_Black_Arrow
The HALO drop thing is training; it means they are trained and equipped to make HALO jumps from aircraft. The drop cube is a supplement to the parachute. It contains a rapidly-expanding gelatin that degrades quickly when exposed to oxygen. It just allows for more rapid drops that are still safe. If you want, I'll take the drop cubes out and just rely on parachutes.
CheLat is a weapons company I made up. MPR stands for multi-purpose rifle. The MPR-07 is based off the XM8 OICW project which was scrapped by the US military due to lack of funding in 2005. It is a mutable combat weapon with different purposes. The MPR-08 is a high-powered assault rifle that chambers the 6.5mm Grendel round, capable of piercing bulletproof glass to an extent.
The chainsword is a chainsaw, but shaped like a sword. It's a brutally effective close-combat weapon, well used in urban combat situations. Also doubles as a forced entry tool.
Chelkran and Satyr armor are just that - it's like medieval armor, but forged using modern technology, tools, and materials, which makes it lighter and more maneuverable. It stops bullets pretty well, and protects against a moderate amount of frag damage - anything past 5 meters probably won't hurt them very much.
Kensai ninja armor is also made of Zetix; it is flexible and can stop a bullet or two. Since Kensai aren't meant as forward combat units, though, it wouldn't help much against anything more than that.
Does that help?
1: I wasn't sure what to cost them at, but i will fix that. Thanks.extreme007 wrote: 1. The F-22 has to be atleast 1200. They are stealth planes.
2. What sort of extra armaments have you put on those AC-130s that they are even costlier than stealth planes?
3. And when you say the BUKs are equipped with necessary detection units, do you mean even stealth aircrafts?
Well, hmmm.. i too was under the impression that we'd have access to detection units without explicitly mentioning them. That's why i didn't mention them either. Judges, what are your thoughts?3: Necessary detection as in normal radar. So very limited stealth detection, but good aircraft spotting otherwise (I put that there mainly because people have said that I only had the missiles, not the radar to find the planes.)
I put my AC-130 at 150 I think. Its just like a transport plane, but with gun on the side. Its sort of twice the cost of a helicopter like AH-64.to fix 1 and 2, I'll just switch the 2 point costs. F-22s will be 1250, and the AC-130s will be 750 (I had thought for extra armament to be, another chaingun, or a missile rack for 2-4 missiles) In light of the recosting however, the AC-130s will not have any added armaments (unless they are now over-costed. I've never seen people use gunboats before, and am unsure of what to price them at for that, and with what weapons.)
