Anti-Nelagan side Orbats
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maybe you should reconsider an ice carrier... given the hard nature of landing on a normal aircraft carrier.. plus, not to mention the large lasers on Omen, capable of heating it into nothingness, literally.
oh.. and offcourse there's the issue of fighting in warmer climate.
oh.. and offcourse there's the issue of fighting in warmer climate.
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Refrigeration units are aboard. In fact tonnes of super sized ones along with an intricate network of pipes, pumps and back up pipes and pumps. What do you think we blew our budgets on in Lovely? lol
And who says the floating Island of Lovely is going to go up against the floating islands of Jasonia?
And who says the floating Island of Lovely is going to go up against the floating islands of Jasonia?
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well that was the purpose of the war...
not to go kick the third party in the side of the head.
not to go kick the third party in the side of the head.
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Ha, but all it means is that Matt and Scorpiox joined (I don't care what they call themselves now, I will continue calling them that), so we get a little subwar in Toketi.
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Honestly, is this your true OrBat or did you post a defined one later? If not, I'd thoroughly enjoy links to every single one of these vehicles with complete modern descriptions. I don't care how painstaking it is, am I seriously expected to fight an OrBat of abbreviations? Anyone's best guess who didn't memorize the "Dictator's Guide To Abbreviated Means Of Destruction" won't have a clue what 95% of these items are and I think that's a bit unfair for everyone else to have to Wikipedia themselves to death. And they certainly aren't secret units.extreme007 wrote:I might lose internet connection for the next few days.
At the moment, this is what my forces would look like. I'll write up a backstory during the war.
20 Special Forces = 20 x 5 = 100
50 Paratroopers = 50 x 3 = 150
300 Infantry = 300 x 1 = 300
20 M-THEL = 20 x 30 = 600
5 S-400 = 5 x 30 = 150
20 HUMRAAMs = 20 x 30 = 600
10 C-RAM = 10 x 30 = 300
10 IFVs = 10 x 40 = 400
5 V-22 Ospreys = 5 x 60 = 300
10 AH-64D = 10 x 75 = 750
5 RAH-66 = 5 x 80 = 400
4 A-10 = 4 x 200 = 800***
1 AC-130 = 1 x 150 = 150***
1 Nimitz-class = 1 x 1000 = 1000
2 Virginia Class Subs = 2 x 1000 = 2000
2 SeaWolf class subs = 2 x 1200 = 2400
1 Ohio class sub (mod) = 1 x 1600 = 1600*
4 Type-45 (air defense)= 4 x 1000 = 4000**
4 F-22 = 4 x 1200 = 4800***
8 Eurofighters = 8 x 500 = 4000
I believe I got 200 points to play around with still.
* modified to not have ICBMS, but 154 Tomahawks instead.
** might need to modify slightly to allow 1 helicopter each (either multipurpose helicopter or a simple transport helicopter)
*** modified to allow carrier operations.
Note, that I haven't mentioned the force multipliers. I will do that when I get time/internet connection back. Also, the guns for the special forces, paratroopers etc...
Perhaps it is a bit late, but I'm still thinking of entering the war. :]
Edit: What's with the cheap price of the S-400? Aren't those beyond-top-notch antiair/antimissle? You have those priced at 30.... for something that can shoot down stealth bombers and even hit an incoming missle 400km (250 miles) away that seems a bit cheap.
Edit 2: The Nimitz (an aircraft carrier if anyone does not know yet) is one of the largest aircraft carriers in the world and one of the military beacons of power for the United States. I read that it can go twenty years without refueling due to its nuclear power system. You have this behemoth priced at 1000 points. Seriously?
Re: Anti-Nelagan side Orbats
It's extreme. He basically cheats, but nobody really has the balls to tell him to stop, so he just screws a lot of things up because he can. You get used to it after a while.
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Re: Anti-Nelagan side Orbats
Wikipedia's pretty good for stuff like this; eg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400
@Harvey: Giant invincible laser-powered city-destroying gravship?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400
@Harvey: Giant invincible laser-powered city-destroying gravship?
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Re: Anti-Nelagan side Orbats
Yeah, but at least I cop up to it. I'm not trying to bend the charter in uncomfortable directions to get what I want.
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Hmm... I am sure I posted another after that with links to the un-common ones. I dont think I linked the aircrafts because those are quite common.Honestly, is this your true OrBat or did you post a defined one later? If not, I'd thoroughly enjoy links to every single one of these vehicles with complete modern descriptions. I don't care how painstaking it is, am I seriously expected to fight an OrBat of abbreviations? Anyone's best guess who didn't memorize the "Dictator's Guide To Abbreviated Means Of Destruction" won't have a clue what 95% of these items are and I think that's a bit unfair for everyone else to have to Wikipedia themselves to death. And they certainly aren't secret units.
Perhaps it is a bit late, but I'm still thinking of entering the war. :]
Edit: What's with the cheap price of the S-400? Aren't those beyond-top-notch antiair/antimissle? You have those priced at 30.... for something that can shoot down stealth bombers and even hit an incoming missle 400km (250 miles) away that seems a bit cheap.
Edit 2: The Nimitz (an aircraft carrier if anyone does not know yet) is one of the largest aircraft carriers in the world and one of the military beacons of power for the United States. I read that it can go twenty years without refueling due to its nuclear power system. You have this behemoth priced at 1000 points. Seriously?
Regarding the Nimitz, yes, my fault. I saw the description in the convention which states 85 aircrafts. I didn't read the 'non-nuclear' part of it. As far as I knew, only the Nimitz class handles anything like 85 aircrafts. But, for now, you can imagine it to be a non-nuclear Nimitz.
With regards to the S-400, I am not considering it to be capable of detecting stealth aircrafts. And I highly doubt the actual real world unit is capable either. Everything I read states that its rumored to have that capability.
Nonetheless, does the following then look right to you?
I had initially put everything at 30, including what should be at 20. With the above values, the total still comes to the same total as earlier. The HUMRAAMs are similar to the unit described in the convention. The C-RAM has smaller range than those described in the convention. And the M-THELs, as mentioned by others, doesn't have a guaranteed working capability.20 M-THEL = 20 x 20 = 400
5 S-400 = 5 x 130 = 650
20 HUMRAAMs = 20 x 20 = 400
10 C-RAM 10 x 20 = 200
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And Roman, this would have been best to do at the start of the war, not a week and a half into it.
But I'm still happy you're joining. Wait, have you joined?
Well, at least you're annoying Extreme.
But I'm still happy you're joining. Wait, have you joined?
Well, at least you're annoying Extreme.
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yes. I get that a lot.Well, at least you're annoying Extreme
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This is information you MUST incorporate into an OrBat if you're going to fight internationally, regardless of how much you want to be cheap or be a pain in the ass. I was very frustrated because I had to wikipedia so many things, and few were obscure variants of things I hadn't heard of before which required googling and comparison.extreme007 wrote:Hmm... I am sure I posted another after that with links to the un-common ones. I dont think I linked the aircrafts because those are quite common.Honestly, is this your true OrBat or did you post a defined one later? If not, I'd thoroughly enjoy links to every single one of these vehicles with complete modern descriptions. I don't care how painstaking it is, am I seriously expected to fight an OrBat of abbreviations? Anyone's best guess who didn't memorize the "Dictator's Guide To Abbreviated Means Of Destruction" won't have a clue what 95% of these items are and I think that's a bit unfair for everyone else to have to Wikipedia themselves to death. And they certainly aren't secret units.
Perhaps it is a bit late, but I'm still thinking of entering the war. :]
Edit: What's with the cheap price of the S-400? Aren't those beyond-top-notch antiair/antimissle? You have those priced at 30.... for something that can shoot down stealth bombers and even hit an incoming missle 400km (250 miles) away that seems a bit cheap.
Edit 2: The Nimitz (an aircraft carrier if anyone does not know yet) is one of the largest aircraft carriers in the world and one of the military beacons of power for the United States. I read that it can go twenty years without refueling due to its nuclear power system. You have this behemoth priced at 1000 points. Seriously?
Regarding the Nimitz, yes, my fault. I saw the description in the convention which states 85 aircrafts. I didn't read the 'non-nuclear' part of it. As far as I knew, only the Nimitz class handles anything like 85 aircrafts. But, for now, you can imagine it to be a non-nuclear Nimitz.
With regards to the S-400, I am not considering it to be capable of detecting stealth aircrafts. And I highly doubt the actual real world unit is capable either. Everything I read states that its rumored to have that capability.
Nonetheless, does the following then look right to you?I had initially put everything at 30, including what should be at 20. With the above values, the total still comes to the same total as earlier. The HUMRAAMs are similar to the unit described in the convention. The C-RAM has smaller range than those described in the convention. And the M-THELs, as mentioned by others, doesn't have a guaranteed working capability.20 M-THEL = 20 x 20 = 400
5 S-400 = 5 x 130 = 650
20 HUMRAAMs = 20 x 20 = 400
10 C-RAM 10 x 20 = 200
For an aircraft carrier like the Nimitz and to assume S-400's can't shoot down stealth bombers should not be left to speculation. If no one said anything, you would of simply used them with the powers I just criticized their point value for.
As for Nicholas, I did not think I would join and I really doubt I will at this point in time. I'm awaiting a few events to unfold in the war before I douse the flame of it, if you catch my drift. I'm busy with circulating rumors and schemes in Toketi anyway dealing with individuals who are trying to demolish what Mannimarco and company have accomplished.
Well, I don't know the man, but I can certainly assure you I do not partake in the appeasement of cheating. Especially when its about imaginary crap.SaiKar wrote:It's extreme. He basically cheats, but nobody really has the balls to tell him to stop, so he just screws a lot of things up because he can. You get used to it after a while.
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actually having to do some research instead of having the enemy hand all their specs to you on a plate... appalling...Roman wrote:I was very frustrated because I had to wikipedia so many things, and few were obscure variants of things I hadn't heard of before which required googling and comparison.
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Because of course it doesn't at all say in the convention you have to give a summary of non-standard units, and it doesn't in the slightest stop some disputes before they start if your enemy has some vague idea of what you're capable of.
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Awww, your sarcasm is so cute! I wish I could give you a hug. Too bad I was busy researching on wikipedia to hug you.Guido Zambelis wrote:actually having to do some research instead of having the enemy hand all their specs to you on a plate... appalling...Roman wrote:I was very frustrated because I had to wikipedia so many things, and few were obscure variants of things I hadn't heard of before which required googling and comparison.
And you're right in one part, you don't have to give the specifications of every unit. Obviously secrets... but what I'm trying to say...
LACK OF DETAIL BRINGS ABOUT DISPUTE
Such as the two units I questioned, the carrier and the S-400, because I knew those two had funky point values compared to what they could do. Now Extreme clarified with what he was using, it makes more sense! This isn't so much that I know exactly what my enemy is using, but for the most part knowing that what he is using is fairly priced and following the rules of the engagement.
I consider it common knowledge if you publicly post a unit, its name, and its value you should be able to question it. It isn't like Extreme's OrBat was a big secret or something, just a befuddled list of abbreviations and odd point values compared to everything else he had.Andreas the Wise wrote:Because of course it doesn't at all say in the convention you have to give a summary of non-standard units, and it doesn't in the slightest stop some disputes before they start if your enemy has some vague idea of what you're capable of.