Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
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Why are you linking the two issues? Why are you publishing a map on the wiki that, as you admit, is unofficial and not accurate?Edgard wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 pm
Let's keep the focus on the right thing here. The Verionist Republic is a recognized sovereign independent state by the Regency and by everyone else.
The RAC is not. It is a separate entity that is supported by the Verionists as the claim here suggests, otherwise this would be a Verionist expansion, no? The claim has not been recognized as Ric stated above.
If we will mark the area as disputed or occupied, then I must ask that the standard be applied consistently and fairly and that it be applied to the Verionist Republic in Elsenar by marking it accordingly as well, as presented previously.
The disputed/occupied markings for the Verionist Republic have been discussed before, and have been resolved as per the current MCS map, following the withdrawal of the VR's claim on the entirety of Shireroth, it has nothing to do with this issue.
The Crisco presence in the region is not only older than Ransenar, its claim also is posted prior, as such, it seems only warranted that it is indicated on the map.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
You are wrong. I have said no such thing anywhere at all.
I just stated that the map I have put forward not only reflects the arrangement that the Imperial Regency has arrived at with Ransenar but the agreements that were reached by Ransenar with the Guttuli Protectorate and with the Sovereign Confederation. It reflects the agreement I have arrived at with Ric and the Imperial Regency and two other vulture states. That agreement was reached well before the RAC filed its claim, and at a time where the RAC was considered dead by everyone involved in the Kalirion Fracture, as reflected by these posts below (bolding for emphasis):
Ric wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:46 amA few things:
1) The Verionist Republic claim is not contested.
2) The RAC has not discussed with the Regency on its claims . All other vulture states, except the Verionist Republic and the RAC, have done so, and have also achieved recognition from Shireroth prior to lodging their claims.
3) As such, I want to talk to Jack and work out a deal before I can consent to a claim/recognition here.
The Verionist Republic is one recognized sovereign independent state with a recognized claim in the MCS. I can't dispute that.
However, the R.A.C is not, evidenced by the fact that you have maintained them separately, through separate claims.
The R.A.C. is a separate entity that is supported by the Verionists.
If the R.A.C is part of the Verionist Republic, as you stated (quoted the original below in case of stealth edit), then this would be a Verionist expansion (which is not marked as such).
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Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
So, with all the above, is it safe to say this is the least contentious means of portraying this on the map (ahead of any potential Ransenari secession passing)?
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Right Ed, there are two issues:
1. Why are you publishing a map on which the Verionist Republic is shaded? It shouldn't be, as it is not contested
Now, the issue of the R.A.C.
First of all, no, the R.A.C. is not part of the Verionist Republic, I don't know where this idea came from. The R.A.C. is a rebel nation, first emerged in early June, before any official Ransenari presence was established. The claim, from day 1, included Teldrin, as you can see on the wiki. Now, the issue was first to have the R.A.C. as a contested territory between the Regency and the rebels. Now, Ransenar is included, so the West bank of the Elwynn should be contested territory between Ransenar and the rebels. It's as simple as that.
1. Why are you publishing a map on which the Verionist Republic is shaded? It shouldn't be, as it is not contested
Which you concede:
So the solution for this is simple: change the map on the wiki to an official one.The Verionist Republic is one recognized sovereign independent state with a recognized claim in the MCS. I can't dispute that.
Now, the issue of the R.A.C.
First of all, no, the R.A.C. is not part of the Verionist Republic, I don't know where this idea came from. The R.A.C. is a rebel nation, first emerged in early June, before any official Ransenari presence was established. The claim, from day 1, included Teldrin, as you can see on the wiki. Now, the issue was first to have the R.A.C. as a contested territory between the Regency and the rebels. Now, Ransenar is included, so the West bank of the Elwynn should be contested territory between Ransenar and the rebels. It's as simple as that.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
This map is perfectly fine. If Jack wants, he can have this completely recognized by Shireroth with full independence. Otherwise we can have it disputed like this.
If he wants, he can also claim southwards along the West Bank towards the Guttuli border (and thereby take Ankh) within the borders of Monty Crisco. Controlling such a long stretch of the West Bank would put the RAC in a good financial situation, and should compensate them for the lack of control over Teldrin.
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I think I cannot in good faith reject the generous proposal from the Regency. Although Teldrin was quite crucial to the idea of Rebellion, I also don't want to bother Ed too much, so we'll work out a deal.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
The Shirithian government and the Criscos have resolved the issue as follows:
Those are satellite state markings.
Those are satellite state markings.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
Oh and there needs to be a bomb near Tyrelwynn as well
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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I personally prefer this representation:
With the little bomb between the cities to denote it covers that little area (ic. Tyrelwynn and Teldrin). I don't think it looks good to have a bunch of icons. One should be sufficient... if it's not too much trouble. (Please note I am speaking STRICTLY about the bomb icon as represented here and not the claim represented in the pic, as it may not be accurate with the recent agreements.)
With the little bomb between the cities to denote it covers that little area (ic. Tyrelwynn and Teldrin). I don't think it looks good to have a bunch of icons. One should be sufficient... if it's not too much trouble. (Please note I am speaking STRICTLY about the bomb icon as represented here and not the claim represented in the pic, as it may not be accurate with the recent agreements.)
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Re: Vulture - Revolutionary Army of Crisco Claim
A bomb per city indicates the reality better. I've already given concessions, my final claim stands as it is.
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Move it over so we can vote on it then...
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Thank you, I have also addressed a justified concern that was raised by Raz and echoed by some others.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.