OrBat: The Hammish Peacekeeping force
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OrBat: The Hammish Peacekeeping force
Anunia Convention - National Form
1. Does your nation have Existing National Defences?
We do, they are currently classified but I must say that they are hardly relevant
2. Does your nation have city descriptions, regional descriptions, terrain maps or other things detailing your land that you would like the enemy to know, and that can't be inferred from the MCS Physical Map?
We do, but they are not relevant. (We will provide if asked)
3. Please name below every citizen of your nation who could possibly participate in the war. (III.D). Also note which region they will start in (if you don't use personal regions, mark this "Capital") (IV.M). Any citizens not mentioned here who join the war later may be refused entry by the enemy.
Myself, General Simonside, Mack, CJMiller and Duke J, however I will post on their behalf due to the size of our force on this mission.
4. If your nation offers anything in the situation it loses, please list it below (II.C). Anything not listed here can only be ceded by your agreement after the war.
We are not looking to gain any territory out of this war, and so the loss of troops would be enough of a loss for us.
5. Other Reminders:
A. If any of your forces meet the following conditions, they qualify to count as more experienced. Note this in your orbat. (III.E,F)
i. Have fought and survived a previous Recwar which was not too recent as to have sapped morale.
Yes. Taeland where there was much RP-ing which I can't find but am searching. Also you'll remember our conflict where we were almost at war with the Council of Free states, where the Army was on standby, we've been at a state of standby for a while since we've fallen out with a certain nation and also we've used the army in a drugs war and checking vessels in the Ocia-Krlska conflict. Also the navy has been tackling pirates, it's not a major problem any more.
ii. Had a backstory of reasonable quality written for them explaining their training/origin/loyalty, and why they are more experienced than a normal unit.
I'll have a look, we don't have much done like that because we're based on economics and politics more than military. However we've announced massive funding in the military not so long ago. We've cleared out a lot of posts and archived a lot, so it's hard to find.
I'll provide if people ask. Any secret posts I'll adapt so they can be released.
iii. Participated in regular training exercises in their nation.
We have a map of military installations and one of which is a massive military training facility, we'll provide the map
to a neutral person if asked.
C. If you are using non-standard units (ie any not mentioned specifically by name in the Convention), either provide a link to them (if real world), or a description (if invented) of basic capabilities. If you intend to use your unit in a way that is not a standard feature, please note that as well. (IV.E,F)
We use real world technology except for a ship. I suppose we can downgrade the topic as it's not that bad. http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... 3293#p3293
[NB: Our mission is not to attack Ocia, but to make sure that those who are in the towns which have been conquered are protected and that we can rebuild them quickly and keep law and order. The aim of the mission is to uphold the new Amokolian Government. Also, the Army is currently not intending to attack any Ocian position, however we will not rule out the possibility of any armed clashes or attacks on Ocia.]
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From the Octagon
On the Amokolian mission we shall use the following troops:
Transportation fleet
I shall command the forces in the thread,s but will act on behalf of the war cabinet.
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Finally, I have been told that we must start from Hammish territory, The reason we have so many ships is that we are not wanting to be attacked on the way to Ashkenatza and therefore we consider this to be enough to adequately defend our men on the way to their mission. I will be happy to agree upon a time it will take for Hamland to reach Ashkenatza. I have spoken to someone from their country about them going there before actually going to Amokolia, he seemed fine, but I shall do it again more formally so everyone is happy.
1. Does your nation have Existing National Defences?
We do, they are currently classified but I must say that they are hardly relevant
2. Does your nation have city descriptions, regional descriptions, terrain maps or other things detailing your land that you would like the enemy to know, and that can't be inferred from the MCS Physical Map?
We do, but they are not relevant. (We will provide if asked)
3. Please name below every citizen of your nation who could possibly participate in the war. (III.D). Also note which region they will start in (if you don't use personal regions, mark this "Capital") (IV.M). Any citizens not mentioned here who join the war later may be refused entry by the enemy.
Myself, General Simonside, Mack, CJMiller and Duke J, however I will post on their behalf due to the size of our force on this mission.
4. If your nation offers anything in the situation it loses, please list it below (II.C). Anything not listed here can only be ceded by your agreement after the war.
We are not looking to gain any territory out of this war, and so the loss of troops would be enough of a loss for us.
5. Other Reminders:
A. If any of your forces meet the following conditions, they qualify to count as more experienced. Note this in your orbat. (III.E,F)
i. Have fought and survived a previous Recwar which was not too recent as to have sapped morale.
Yes. Taeland where there was much RP-ing which I can't find but am searching. Also you'll remember our conflict where we were almost at war with the Council of Free states, where the Army was on standby, we've been at a state of standby for a while since we've fallen out with a certain nation and also we've used the army in a drugs war and checking vessels in the Ocia-Krlska conflict. Also the navy has been tackling pirates, it's not a major problem any more.
ii. Had a backstory of reasonable quality written for them explaining their training/origin/loyalty, and why they are more experienced than a normal unit.
I'll have a look, we don't have much done like that because we're based on economics and politics more than military. However we've announced massive funding in the military not so long ago. We've cleared out a lot of posts and archived a lot, so it's hard to find.
I'll provide if people ask. Any secret posts I'll adapt so they can be released.
iii. Participated in regular training exercises in their nation.
We have a map of military installations and one of which is a massive military training facility, we'll provide the map
to a neutral person if asked.
C. If you are using non-standard units (ie any not mentioned specifically by name in the Convention), either provide a link to them (if real world), or a description (if invented) of basic capabilities. If you intend to use your unit in a way that is not a standard feature, please note that as well. (IV.E,F)
We use real world technology except for a ship. I suppose we can downgrade the topic as it's not that bad. http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... 3293#p3293
[NB: Our mission is not to attack Ocia, but to make sure that those who are in the towns which have been conquered are protected and that we can rebuild them quickly and keep law and order. The aim of the mission is to uphold the new Amokolian Government. Also, the Army is currently not intending to attack any Ocian position, however we will not rule out the possibility of any armed clashes or attacks on Ocia.]
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From the Octagon
On the Amokolian mission we shall use the following troops:
Transportation fleet
The troops deployed will be:2 Aircraft Carriers each carrying: [HRHS Stampede, HRHS Victory]
25 Hueys
20 Harriers
10 Apaches
Crew
10 Scimitar tanks
5 AS-90s
6 German Boxers
5 Challengers
8 Avenger-class Frigates: [HRHS Ofli, HRHS Gliora, HRHS Dradado, HRHS Iafanta, HRHS Sletiocra, HRHS Ena, HRHS Sida, HRHS Tiaso]
Each with a Huey Helicopter in the back.
2 Corvettes: [HRHS Dundee, HRHS Argyll]
100 Special Air Servicemen [all armed with SA80s and Browning L9A1. They wear Kevlar reinforced helmets and body armour with camouflaged uniform. They all also have been trained in adapting it for the battlefeild to farther blend in, and can live off the land as well.]
400 Regular Troops (Experienced from previous Taeland Conflict [Similar mission]) [Same equipment but less training.]
4 Globemasters will be flown to and stationed in Ashkenatza and will bring water and supplies to the people of Amokolia throughout the war.
I shall command the forces in the thread,s but will act on behalf of the war cabinet.
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Finally, I have been told that we must start from Hammish territory, The reason we have so many ships is that we are not wanting to be attacked on the way to Ashkenatza and therefore we consider this to be enough to adequately defend our men on the way to their mission. I will be happy to agree upon a time it will take for Hamland to reach Ashkenatza. I have spoken to someone from their country about them going there before actually going to Amokolia, he seemed fine, but I shall do it again more formally so everyone is happy.
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I would like to openly state the policy of the Ocian Federation which prohibits the entry of any Hammish War Mongering 'peacekeepers' from its sovereign territory. If any penetrate even a millimetre of Ocian Sovereign territory it will justify retaliation on a grand scale.
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So we go on a peacekeeping mission into a country which has declared to be independent from you and you're threatening us?
We don't care about attacking your armies. We want to help the civilians.
Anyway, we won't be in your soil. It will either be controlled by Ashkenatza or Amokolia when we get there. You should read the mission.
Also I find it laughable you of all calling us warmongering after night after night you kept trying to make me change our stance on our neutrality due to it being "weak". In fact, your statement of you attacking warmongerers on a grand scale just is on par with the pot calling the kettle black.
**edit** It's also funny how you threaten us, who are peacekeeping when 3 other nations are actually on the front lines and want to attack your forces.
We don't care about attacking your armies. We want to help the civilians.
Anyway, we won't be in your soil. It will either be controlled by Ashkenatza or Amokolia when we get there. You should read the mission.
Also I find it laughable you of all calling us warmongering after night after night you kept trying to make me change our stance on our neutrality due to it being "weak". In fact, your statement of you attacking warmongerers on a grand scale just is on par with the pot calling the kettle black.
**edit** It's also funny how you threaten us, who are peacekeeping when 3 other nations are actually on the front lines and want to attack your forces.
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Amokolia thanks you.
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I have spoken to someone from their country about them going there before actually going to Amokolia, he seemed fine, but I shall do it again more formally so everyone is happy.
If you'd care to visit our MoFA as soon as possible to formalise a Military Access treaty, there won't be a problem.
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I've registered an account. I was going to do it days ago after the act was passed through parliament, but I had to wait to be accepted.
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Account now activated. PM me if you're still having problems, m'kay?
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Lewis, with due respect, you're being asked to declare those things and failure to declare them now and then using them in the recwar can result in a successful challenge of their use.1. Does your nation have Existing National Defences?
We do, they are currently classified but I must say that they are hardly relevant
2. Does your nation have city descriptions, regional descriptions, terrain maps or other things detailing your land that you would like the enemy to know, and that can't be inferred from the MCS Physical Map?
We do, but they are not relevant. (We will provide if asked)
Can you please clarify this? Is your force of 25,000 pts or are you claiming to control a force equivalent to the total of all those mentioned above?3. Please name below every citizen of your nation who could possibly participate in the war. (III.D). Also note which region they will start in (if you don't use personal regions, mark this "Capital") (IV.M). Any citizens not mentioned here who join the war later may be refused entry by the enemy.
Myself, General Simonside, Mack, CJMiller and Duke J, however I will post on their behalf due to the size of our force on this mission.
So you're not putting territory up for grabs but are willing to negotiate being given other territory? I suggest you get rid of the last sentence as if you lose it will come back to haunt you because its essentially saying "we'll give away our land to get out of the war."4. If your nation offers anything in the situation it loses, please list it below (II.C). Anything not listed here can only be ceded by your agreement after the war.
We are not looking to gain any territory out of this war, and so the loss of troops would be enough of a loss for us. We will negotiate if other nations see necessary.
Are Anti-Piracy and drug operations allowed as previous combat experience, Judge?5. Other Reminders:
A. If any of your forces meet the following conditions, they qualify to count as more experienced. Note this in your orbat. (III.E,F)
i. Have fought and survived a previous Recwar which was not too recent as to have sapped morale.
Yes. Taeland where there was much RP-ing which I can't find but am searching. Also you'll remember our conflict where we were almost at war with the Council of Free states, where the Army was on standby, we've been at a state of standby for a while since we've fallen out with a certain nation and also we've used the army in a drugs war and checking vessels in the Ocia-Krlska conflict. Also the navy has been tackling pirates, it's not a major problem any more.
I'm asking.Had a backstory of reasonable quality written for them explaining their training/origin/loyalty, and why they are more experienced than a normal unit.
I'll have a look, we don't have much done like that because we're based on economics and politics more than military. However we've announced massive funding in the military not so long ago. We've cleared out a lot of posts and archived a lot, so it's hard to find.
I'll provide if people ask. Any secret posts I'll adapt so they can be released.
Again, failure to disclose now may result in a successful challenge later on.iii. Participated in regular training exercises in their nation.
We have a map of military installations and one of which is a massive military training facility, we'll provide the map
to a neutral person if asked.
For clarities sake I've looked over ship. Firstly, what is the calibre of the guns on the ship including the AA turret? For instance, what if I were to attack your ship and you responded by saying those Avenger class Frigates have 18"guns? Does it have RADAR or sonar? Is it nuclear fuelled or turbines?C. If you are using non-standard units (ie any not mentioned specifically by name in the Convention), either provide a link to them (if real world), or a description (if invented) of basic capabilities. If you intend to use your unit in a way that is not a standard feature, please note that as well. (IV.E,F)
We use real world technology except for a ship. I suppose we can downgrade the topic as it's not that bad. http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... 3293#p3293
Other issues with your orbat is what class are your ACs? and your corvettes and what type are the helciopters on the back of thef frigates?
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And by Ocian Sovereign territory it means everything but Amokolia (not including the La Terre Garrison).Matt Kovac2 wrote:I would like to openly state the policy of the Ocian Federation which prohibits the entry of any Hammish War Mongering 'peacekeepers' from its sovereign territory. If any penetrate even a millimetre of Ocian Sovereign territory it will justify retaliation on a grand scale.
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Double post. Hurts my eyes.
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Just deleted it as you posted thatMaximos wrote:Double post. Hurts my eyes.
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Anti-piracy and anti-drugs do count, but only in relation to the skills used in them (small boat skills etc.). Won't have much effect in the case of a pitched naval battle.
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I didn't think they'd be relevant because the war is happening on Benicia. We're not defending anything or attacking anything, we're just trying to make sure that the people of Amokolia can have everything rebuilt when the front line has moved on. If we were to be attacked, then I'm sure that would maybe count as a different war.Lewis, with due respect, you're being asked to declare those things and failure to declare them now and then using them in the recwar can result in a successful challenge of their use.
The force is not one which is enough to use up all the points for everyone above, they are however going to be involved in decision making in the Octagon. We only have 500 troops and several vehicles, due to the realism of us having a larger number of troops at home. I will post the amount of points however.Can you please clarify this? Is your force of 25,000 pts or are you claiming to control a force equivalent to the total of all those mentioned above?
We're not really in this for territory, we're in it for providing a stable environment for people who are hurt and keeping law and order in the towns after they have moved on. The reason why I said we'd negotiate is because if nations (meaning a majority) feel it is unfair that we are not putting land up for grabs then we will gladly sort that out with all members. I will clarify and edit that sentence.So you're not putting territory up for grabs but are willing to negotiate being given other territory? I suggest you get rid of the last sentence as if you lose it will come back to haunt you because its essentially saying "we'll give away our land to get out of the war."
These are some less detailed outlines of the forces activity in previous missions, however the Taeland Conflict's Recwar forum was deleted:I'm asking.
http://hamlandnews.blogspot.com/2009/03 ... ceive.html
http://hamlandnews.blogspot.com/2008/12 ... -keep.html
http://hamlandnews.blogspot.com/2008/11 ... roops.html
http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... ?f=9&t=237 (unfortunatley happened in funk week)
http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... ?f=9&t=256
The Large training facility can be seen in this outdated map (We've blackened out most of it due to it being similar to the current one. We left one visible which no longer exists so you can see that the green square is larger, signifying the fact that it is a larger facility. We still have a large training facility and 5 other ones. I think you'd understand why we're a bit edgy about showing you all a history of Hammish fortifications.)
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/asad.png/
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/are.png/
This is also an act where the Army was taking part in a similar role to what it is doing in this conflict:
http://hamlandgov.hostingdelivered.com/ ... ?f=9&t=311
I'm kicking myself for deleting the Taeland conflict forum. We do have this though:
http://greenukuc.proboards.com/index.cg ... &thread=35
It was a war towards the end of the UC which Hamland deployed troops in.
Hope this helps.
Due to all of the use of secret forums, we will allow the judge access to our secret forums so he can say whether it's all legit if you like.
I would like to say that our army is not made up of novices, but we don't participate in wars very often, but we do use them in a peaceful manner quite regularly.
Again, I'll say that we don't see the conflict happening in Hamland, and if it were to then I think it'd be another war altogether. However, if we are going to say that Ocia might invade Hamland for sending in a small amount of troops to fulfill a role which isn't even anything to do with Ocia when Ocia is being faced with nations actively combating their troops then Ocia is very silly indeed.Again, failure to disclose now may result in a successful challenge later on.
The Corevettes are the same as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braunschwe ... s_corvette
I apologise for the lack of clarity in that design, I'm not someone who knows a lot about weaponry after the turn of the 18th century. It uses RADAR (as that's the only one I know about) and the ones we are using are nuclear powered.
The anti-aircraft gun is a turret consisting of 2 GAU-8 Avengers. The other 2 guns are 4.5 inch Mark 8 naval guns.
Please do ask questions, because I'm not someone who is massively experienced in all this.
(this may be missing bits as it took a while to compose and had to be copied and pasting.)
The navy is only there to get the troops from Hamland to Ashkenatza safely.
You have no worries there, we didn't say anything about going into mainland Ocia. We're just concerned about Amokolia.And by Ocian Sovereign territory it means everything but Amokolia (not including the La Terre Garrison).
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I'm not sure you understand this but this war isn't about Amokolia. Amokolia openly stated their desire to partition itself with Ocia and the Ocian Federation openly stated on SEVERAL occasions that so long as its done properly through our legal infrastructure it is completely supported by my government, because there is no benefit in having a rebellious territory. I’ve also stated that the Ocian Federation has no desire to protect a land, which is not loyal to our motherland, and this clearly is the case so we are hardly concerned with Amokolia's defence. So nations like Hamland and Ashkenatza which are claiming to be fighting for the 'liberation of Amokolia' are obviously full of baloney and are opportunists. Lewis is looking for another opportunity to expand his kingdom just as he was when he sent his spies to Ocia several months ago. Three is no need for your peacekeepers, and like I said by joining this war you have essentially granted a sleeping dragon, Ocia, the right to retaliate in any and all means if you infringe our territorial integrity, our sovereignty, our interests or support our enemies in any way.