[JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
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[JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
I'd like to object to Leo Dine starting with a naval fleet in Caligae port. He recently posted his second half of his allowable points as a naval fleet with immense firepower. And his starting location happens to be a few hundred kilometers from La Terre, as well as right in the middle of the route between my forces and La Terre.
I do believe any new units joining should start from the capital (Shirekeep in this case) or some place quite far from the battle zone. Its a very strong unit, and having them start soo near to La Terre negates all the strategies/tactics employed by (in this case) monty and myself.
I do believe any new units joining should start from the capital (Shirekeep in this case) or some place quite far from the battle zone. Its a very strong unit, and having them start soo near to La Terre negates all the strategies/tactics employed by (in this case) monty and myself.
Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
A reasonable argument I suppose. But I would like to point out that I am not merely "creating" this units out of thin air. Elwynn has had a strict military regiment imposed since the Khan has been appointed BrigadierGeneral and that forces have been positioned through Elwynn in light of incoming attacks. Though the units were not purchased under SCIRA at the time There were still commissioned and built, though albeit with limited utility beyond RP. However the SCOWL rules allowed for much more flexibility for purchasing my quasi-existing units. True the whole fleet may not be in Caligae all at once but the furthest they would be would be Hyfrost (which I think is even less suitable for you), Port Illumination, or Wolfraven. I will, however refute that new navel units begin in Shirekeep on a point of realism. Elwynn's naval borders stretch from Wintergleam to Cape Farwell and along a few more northern islands. Now anyone with half a brain would build a ship to protect that border, along that border, instead of wasting the fuel that would be required to navigate the shipe up the river Elwynn from Shirekeep, all the way south and then back north. This is simply my side of it and my reasoning though (and this is my first recwar) so feel free to explain to me if this is unreasonable.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
you are talking about rules that have little to do with Annunia, as far as i know.
i do believe there's a rule in the annunia convention that states where new forces can start from.
i do believe there's a rule in the annunia convention that states where new forces can start from.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
It's an Elwynnese force. He's the Duke of Elwynn, Caligae is therefore in his "personal region" so he can start it from where he pleases. Any inconvenience caused to the other side is incidental.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
Order.
It's permissible, as he just so happened to have been made Duke of Elwyn a few days ago...
http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=11448
It's permissible, as he just so happened to have been made Duke of Elwyn a few days ago...
http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=11448
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
shouldn't it have been made clear in the nation's form which states existing defensive structures and player starting positions?
cause if i had known that there was a fleet so strong right in the middle of my path, i would have done a pearl harbour first at this port, before aiding monty at La Terre!
cause if i had known that there was a fleet so strong right in the middle of my path, i would have done a pearl harbour first at this port, before aiding monty at La Terre!
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
In spirit, maybe, but convention is so imprecise that I'm just going to have to make a ruling in this case.
Leo Dine would have been prohibited from making any moves until 24hrs from his entry. Seeing as this time has elapsed, yet extreme has not taken advantage of it, it is perfectly reasonable for him to continue from there.
Play on.
Leo Dine would have been prohibited from making any moves until 24hrs from his entry. Seeing as this time has elapsed, yet extreme has not taken advantage of it, it is perfectly reasonable for him to continue from there.
Play on.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
well, my forces were stuck in battle with Malliki's... i was waiting on her to finish her post... anyways, i am ok with your ruling. kindly assume that all the aircrafts i sent to make the first attack on La Terre are now back at base.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
Hrm, him...
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
The matter was under judicial intepretation however. Actions usually are suspended when interpretation is required.Guido Zambelis wrote:In spirit, maybe, but convention is so imprecise that I'm just going to have to make a ruling in this case.
Leo Dine would have been prohibited from making any moves until 24hrs from his entry. Seeing as this time has elapsed, yet extreme has not taken advantage of it, it is perfectly reasonable for him to continue from there.
Play on.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
Dear me.
It is apparent that Shireroth entered as their own party, despite posting in the Ashkenatzan OrBat thread.
Leo Dine was subject to the 24hr restriction, because he entered after gman, but failed to strictly comply. At the same time, he did not do anything unreasonable (and in fact, he could quite have easily have claimed to have started from the border, which is about where he was 24 hours after his first post). Given the highly inconsequential nature of this transgression, no punishment is given. However, warning is given to comply with the letter of the law in future.
Lord Montague; you make a fair point. However, what he does after he enters the war for the first time (and serves his 24 hours as discussed above) is not subject to restriction.
Incidentally (and for the second time) this convention is horribly vague.
It is apparent that Shireroth entered as their own party, despite posting in the Ashkenatzan OrBat thread.
Leo Dine was subject to the 24hr restriction, because he entered after gman, but failed to strictly comply. At the same time, he did not do anything unreasonable (and in fact, he could quite have easily have claimed to have started from the border, which is about where he was 24 hours after his first post). Given the highly inconsequential nature of this transgression, no punishment is given. However, warning is given to comply with the letter of the law in future.
Lord Montague; you make a fair point. However, what he does after he enters the war for the first time (and serves his 24 hours as discussed above) is not subject to restriction.
Incidentally (and for the second time) this convention is horribly vague.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
If it seems horribly vague now, imagine back in the days when it was just SNARL ...
But take heart - Ardashir, as the Board Member responsible for them, will be collating your judicial decisions to provide common law for future recwars, and will thus hopefully reduce any lingering vagueness in the convention.
But take heart - Ardashir, as the Board Member responsible for them, will be collating your judicial decisions to provide common law for future recwars, and will thus hopefully reduce any lingering vagueness in the convention.
Andreas
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
I'd also like an executive summary of key areas where the Judge has identified instances where rules and processes need to be tightened up.
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Re: [JP] extreme007 vs Leo Dine (Starting Location)
but i can't pass the buck onto anybody...
actually:
It would be helpful if participants identified aspects of the ruleset they thought might be able to be improved, and passed those ideas onto Ardashir, who will collate them and in turn pass on those which he deems actionable to the judge.
actually:
It would be helpful if participants identified aspects of the ruleset they thought might be able to be improved, and passed those ideas onto Ardashir, who will collate them and in turn pass on those which he deems actionable to the judge.