[JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
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[JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Sir,
I claim the following with regards to Extreme's Tomahawks and Vijayi aircraft:
1. That Tomahawks are not launchable from neither the F-15 nor the Su-30, the fighters the Trishuls are based on. The Wikipedia articles on the Tomahawk, the F-15 and the Su-30 are silent on this matter, leading me to believe that it is not possible. This resource does not mention the Tomahawk among the weaponry for the F-15, and if I interpret this resource correctly, the Tomahawk designed for aircraft launching was never constructed or at least never completed.
2. I also claim that Extreme's Vijayi aircraft, based on the Osprey, cannot reach Shirerithian soil. There are three available ranges for the aircraft (again according to Wikipedia): the Combat Radius (690 km), the Range (1627 km) and the Ferry Range (4400 km). Extreme stated that he transported "some troops" on the Vijayi. That immediately excludes the ferry range, since that range is when completely empty and with (optional) extra fuel tanks. The range is for when loaded normally. The combat range is when carrying ordnance. (All info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range) I therefore maintain that the range for the Vijayis is 690 km, but if not that absolutely no more than 1627 km. I also see nowhere in the specifications for the Osprey that it is capable of mid-air refueling.
I move that:
1. Extreme's move regarding the Tomahawks be vacated.
2. Extreme's move with his Vijayis onto Shirerithian soil be vacated.
3. If Extreme's Tomahawk move is not vacated, the decision to hand over the Tomahawks to Lord Montague for greater efficiency be disallowed.
Thank you.
I claim the following with regards to Extreme's Tomahawks and Vijayi aircraft:
1. That Tomahawks are not launchable from neither the F-15 nor the Su-30, the fighters the Trishuls are based on. The Wikipedia articles on the Tomahawk, the F-15 and the Su-30 are silent on this matter, leading me to believe that it is not possible. This resource does not mention the Tomahawk among the weaponry for the F-15, and if I interpret this resource correctly, the Tomahawk designed for aircraft launching was never constructed or at least never completed.
2. I also claim that Extreme's Vijayi aircraft, based on the Osprey, cannot reach Shirerithian soil. There are three available ranges for the aircraft (again according to Wikipedia): the Combat Radius (690 km), the Range (1627 km) and the Ferry Range (4400 km). Extreme stated that he transported "some troops" on the Vijayi. That immediately excludes the ferry range, since that range is when completely empty and with (optional) extra fuel tanks. The range is for when loaded normally. The combat range is when carrying ordnance. (All info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range) I therefore maintain that the range for the Vijayis is 690 km, but if not that absolutely no more than 1627 km. I also see nowhere in the specifications for the Osprey that it is capable of mid-air refueling.
I move that:
1. Extreme's move regarding the Tomahawks be vacated.
2. Extreme's move with his Vijayis onto Shirerithian soil be vacated.
3. If Extreme's Tomahawk move is not vacated, the decision to hand over the Tomahawks to Lord Montague for greater efficiency be disallowed.
Thank you.
Malliki Tosha
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Already sent proof to guido as soon as first mentioned by malliki, hoping that he'd see it and keep the war going, rather than we all getting bogged down. If he disagrees, I'd be happy to provide more defense.Malliki Tosha wrote:1. That Tomahawks are not launchable from neither the F-15 nor the Su-30, the fighters the Trishuls are based on. The Wikipedia articles on the Tomahawk, the F-15 and the Su-30 are silent on this matter, leading me to believe that it is not possible. This resource does not mention the Tomahawk among the weaponry for the F-15, and if I interpret this resource correctly, the Tomahawk designed for aircraft launching was never constructed or at least never completed.
Image of Osprey taken from wikipedia. Shows a refueling probe.2. I also claim that Extreme's Vijayi aircraft, based on the Osprey, cannot reach Shirerithian soil. There are three available ranges for the aircraft (again according to Wikipedia): the Combat Radius (690 km), the Range (1627 km) and the Ferry Range (4400 km). Extreme stated that he transported "some troops" on the Vijayi. That immediately excludes the ferry range, since that range is when completely empty and with (optional) extra fuel tanks. The range is for when loaded normally. The combat range is when carrying ordnance. (All info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range) I therefore maintain that the range for the Vijayis is 690 km, but if not that absolutely no more than 1627 km. I also see nowhere in the specifications for the Osprey that it is capable of mid-air refueling.
1. will wait on guido to say on that before proceeding with more defense if required.I move that:
1. Extreme's move regarding the Tomahawks be vacated.
2. Extreme's move with his Vijayis onto Shirerithian soil be vacated.
3. If Extreme's Tomahawk move is not vacated, the decision to hand over the Tomahawks to Lord Montague for greater efficiency be disallowed.
2. invalidated. with refueling and 0 extra weight on return journey, should be possible easily.
3. You want me and monty to post about how our commanders shared co-ordinates about where the strike went? here's a quick description of what it will look like:
Extreme007 Posts: Message sent to Montague requesting co-ordinates for Tomahawk strike.
Montague Posts: The coordinates to the enemy were informed to the Empire.
Extreme007 Posts: Tomahawks were redirected towards their new co-ordinates.
that's what its going to look like, except in posts with some sort of story line. It would simply waste everyone's time. A faster way of doing that was just for me to say (out-of-character) that the place where the tomahawks hit would be determined by montague.
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Extreme, I see no proof that Tomahawks can be launched from those aircraft. Feel free to try to provide more evidence if you wish.
However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey quite clearly mentions mid-air refueling several times.
However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey quite clearly mentions mid-air refueling several times.
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Ah, I must have missed those entries. I concede point 2.
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Ok, I misread my own source. I thought it was listing the various configs of Tomahawks, but upon reading through them it turns out they are different programs (unrelated to Tomahawks), which have yet to be assigned a number (like BGM-109 etc..)..
My apologies.
Consider those 4 Trishuls to be sitting at base. Thus, all but 1 are resting at Leng.
Do I have to edit my posts or can we simply have a judicial ruling stating those aircrafts never took off (saves me trouble of going and deleting the posts)?
My apologies.
Consider those 4 Trishuls to be sitting at base. Thus, all but 1 are resting at Leng.
Do I have to edit my posts or can we simply have a judicial ruling stating those aircrafts never took off (saves me trouble of going and deleting the posts)?
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Doesn't matter to me.
Malliki Tosha
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
As long as both sides are aware, then it's fine.
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Re: [JP] Lord Tosha vs. Extreme007 (Tomahawks and Vijayi range)
Consider this order not happening due to the Tomahawk mix up."All forces fall back to final defensive position immediately. There will be no exceptions." ordered Biscan into the radio personally.
In Battle; Unbeatable.
In Victory; Unbearable.
In Victory; Unbearable.