Peace Authority
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Just commenting on this from a convention perspective. Obviously, any individual commander can choose to surrender and stop fighting (as Montague has). However, a peace treaty would need to be something formally organised by the nation. If the nation enters civil war (such as Amokolia-Ocia has), then the others may well want to negotiate two separate treaties. If not, there's always the safety valve of the Judge forcing a settlement on the participant powers.extreme007 wrote:While I see your point and agree with it, I would like you to add to your list of items to bring to the convention for further discussion. Who is considered to be an authority for signing of peace treaty? What happens if there's major disagreement between the leaders (for instance, assume that monty was the leader of Ocia and he wants to sign a peace treaty, but kovac and that other fellow want to keep fighting. then is monty's word final or do we go with majority or what? again.. just an example.) What happens when during the course of the war, one of the side breaks into two factions? So say Americans are fighting Germans.. but half way through the war, the german leadership breaks into two.. but both are still enemies with americans. does america now sign two treaties or one ?Guido Zambelis wrote:Montague is not capable of signing a peace treaty.
I invite the Ocian party to either commence talks for a peace treaty (in a separate thread) or to continue the war. If nothing happens with five days, I will look to impose a forced settlement.
It must be remembered that the MCS Council is not bound to honour Anunia. So even if the judge allocates a settlement, the Council may not pass any land change; especially if part of the nation is violently opposing it. But they're more likely to pass it if both nations agrees - so its in the interest of the warring parties to come to a voluntary agreement.
As to the specific matter of Kovac and not surrendering - well, Kovac and Kolya are always open to enter their own orbats and try and defend Ocia/Amokolia. If not, a judge settlement based on the war as it currently stands is probably the easiest option.
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There is already a precedent for a major split in the command of a participant. During the War of Matbaaic Liberation, J-DIC and I disagreed quite vehemently over the peace settlement with Novatainia and Tokidoki. In that respect I did a France and withdrew my force from J-DIC control. In the event I never attacked Nova or Toki forces, but extreme as judge would have been powerless to stop me. I had an orbat and those forces were my under my command. Not exactly my finest hour but I'm glad to have contributed something to the Common Law.
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So, basically we are saying that the majority of a nation and not just a particular leader is responsible for signing a treaty, yes?
Also, forgot to mention this in the other post, but could someone with appropriate powers remove the unwanted posts from the official war thread? Split them or do whatever to remove them from the main place.
Also, forgot to mention this in the other post, but could someone with appropriate powers remove the unwanted posts from the official war thread? Split them or do whatever to remove them from the main place.
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Andreas, I am very surprised to hear your comments regarding land; at the beginning of any war, both parties make a contract regarding land. That contract is, erm, a contract. The Council can't choose to ignore a contract, freely entered into between two parties, merely because one of the parties has lost and would rather not lose the land that they chose to put up for grabs.
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The contract has the same idea as a land transfer treaty. It's substantial evidence that the claim should be accepted. Although it is up to whether the Council members believe the new nation has the activity and culture to sustain any new land, as with all claims.
Say Shireroth palmed-off a huge amount of land onto a country that obviously couldn't sustain it (ie. my very own Craitland). I don't think that'd ever get accepted but if it did, I'm sure we'd be in for a major land reduction very soon afterwards...
Say Shireroth palmed-off a huge amount of land onto a country that obviously couldn't sustain it (ie. my very own Craitland). I don't think that'd ever get accepted but if it did, I'm sure we'd be in for a major land reduction very soon afterwards...
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I'm glad to hear that one of the parties simply being butthurt will have no effect on the decision of the Council
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Guido, I'm not suggesting the Council won't accept it. I'm just reminding everyone that they're not bound to accept it.
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Naturally, within the terms of reason (ie giving a one-man nation all of Shireroth). But what I was referring to in particular was your comment that:
Andreas the Wise wrote:the MCS Council is not bound to honour Anunia ... especially if part of the nation is violently opposing it
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If I rephrased it as "The Council doesn't always agree with land transfers agreed between nations, and since some of the council members aren't big fans of recwar they might be less likely to agree if parties are disagreeing vehemently." So its in the interests of the parties to come to an agreement where possible.
Emphasis on the might. Who am I to know the inscrutable mind of the council? Obviously, everyone should abide by the pre-war agreed potential losses. But it doesn't mean the Council will. Doesn't mean they won't. Just suggesting agreement, where possible, is the best course of action. Asking people to agree about wars is well within the spirit of Anunia ...
Emphasis on the might. Who am I to know the inscrutable mind of the council? Obviously, everyone should abide by the pre-war agreed potential losses. But it doesn't mean the Council will. Doesn't mean they won't. Just suggesting agreement, where possible, is the best course of action. Asking people to agree about wars is well within the spirit of Anunia ...
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"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander