Ocians, Please Clarify
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Ocians, Please Clarify
Ocians (montague mostly), please clarify on the following items:
1. Those 90 anti-air units mentioned in the orbat that kovac posted are, as far as kovac last said, SA-11 units. However, none of the three players have points that can be allocated for those units, unless some are removed from elsewhere. But since that's quite hard in the middle of the war, I would guess that you are without these 90 air units. Yes?
2. Some of the circles shown on the radar and ajax missile ranges, have their center points outside of ocian territory. Now, kovac keeps saying those indicate ranges, but ranges from where? The center point or from the nearest Ocian territory pixel? In the later case, that would reduce the coverage by some pixels. In the former case, well, that case is not possible anyway.
3. The JAS Gripen has a combat range of 800 kms. Thats about 72 pixels. Even assuming 80 pixels (that's giving you guys almost 100 kms on the aircraft's range), its still not enough for aircrafts from Notranskja to Lucern. With air-refueling, those aircrafts wont be able to participate in air engagements against the antican and ashkenatzi airforce, because a) it takes time for pilots to run to their jets and take off b) those jets take time to reach their maximum combat range c) it takes time to refuel d) it takes time for those jets to reach the combat zone over Lucern after getting refueled. In all of this time, the antican/ashkenatzi forces are pretty much done with their mission and heading/already home. Ways to counter that would be to have your aircrafts in the air at all times so that they can respond immediately (but the units would suffer in performance and morale gradually) or to have the aircrafts move to bases closer to lucern (but the units will come range of being attacked by enemy). Both have pros and cons and I am sure you guys know those.
Forget the other initial bases for your fighters, as those are even farther away. I am not sure where Premorska bunker is, which brings us to point number 4.
4. Where is Premorska bunker? Is it the one with the radar and ajax missile complex at the same location roughly in Premorska? Just south of Stockorle?
1. Those 90 anti-air units mentioned in the orbat that kovac posted are, as far as kovac last said, SA-11 units. However, none of the three players have points that can be allocated for those units, unless some are removed from elsewhere. But since that's quite hard in the middle of the war, I would guess that you are without these 90 air units. Yes?
2. Some of the circles shown on the radar and ajax missile ranges, have their center points outside of ocian territory. Now, kovac keeps saying those indicate ranges, but ranges from where? The center point or from the nearest Ocian territory pixel? In the later case, that would reduce the coverage by some pixels. In the former case, well, that case is not possible anyway.
3. The JAS Gripen has a combat range of 800 kms. Thats about 72 pixels. Even assuming 80 pixels (that's giving you guys almost 100 kms on the aircraft's range), its still not enough for aircrafts from Notranskja to Lucern. With air-refueling, those aircrafts wont be able to participate in air engagements against the antican and ashkenatzi airforce, because a) it takes time for pilots to run to their jets and take off b) those jets take time to reach their maximum combat range c) it takes time to refuel d) it takes time for those jets to reach the combat zone over Lucern after getting refueled. In all of this time, the antican/ashkenatzi forces are pretty much done with their mission and heading/already home. Ways to counter that would be to have your aircrafts in the air at all times so that they can respond immediately (but the units would suffer in performance and morale gradually) or to have the aircrafts move to bases closer to lucern (but the units will come range of being attacked by enemy). Both have pros and cons and I am sure you guys know those.
Forget the other initial bases for your fighters, as those are even farther away. I am not sure where Premorska bunker is, which brings us to point number 4.
4. Where is Premorska bunker? Is it the one with the radar and ajax missile complex at the same location roughly in Premorska? Just south of Stockorle?
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
1. There are different versions of the JAS gripen, the one in Ocian use being an indeginous Letalski modification with a longer flight range. In addition if you dont want to ccept that, they are capable of lnding on any 800m roadways so they can land almost nywhere, refuel nd take off.
2. I'd like to as Montague to comment on that since he gave many of the recomendations for the orbat, If we can't afford them then I guess we can't have them.
3. If the squres which represent missile bases are slightly outside of Ocian territory then that is an error on my part, consider them to be in the nearest Ocian territory.
4. Your right about the location of the bunker.
2. I'd like to as Montague to comment on that since he gave many of the recomendations for the orbat, If we can't afford them then I guess we can't have them.
3. If the squres which represent missile bases are slightly outside of Ocian territory then that is an error on my part, consider them to be in the nearest Ocian territory.
4. Your right about the location of the bunker.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
The random 90 or so "extra" SA-11s are to be ignored. That was established in Prep thread I beleive.
Kovac's scramble and maps thing is his problem and dont believe I can answer it.
Kovac's scramble and maps thing is his problem and dont believe I can answer it.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
Kovac, you are still not understanding the issue of the circles on the map. When you draw a radar or missile coverage zone on the map, that normally means that the radar/firing station is at the center of the circle, irregardless of whether or not you actually draw the centeral point of the circle to indicate the presence of that station. Now, some of those circles are drawn with their centers outside of the Ocian territory. You haven't drawn any boxes outsides of Ocian territory. So, what some of us were curious about was whether or not there existed stations outside of Ocian territory (at the center of those circles). For now, we'll just ignore those particular circles that have their centers outside the territory of Ocia.
Also, regarding the Ajax missile, I just realized that since Dervin hasn't posted yet, you guys don't have any missiles to use from those sites! I think Montague has some 20 missiles or so and that's it.
About the Gripen, almost all planes are indigenously built in micronations, but look extremely similar to real world aircrafts. A few modifications are allowed, like giving an extra range of 100 kms or so, a little boost in speed and capabilities etc... However, giving such a huge range is something I have not seen usually. I know Malliki or someone on the Ashkenatzi side posted their A-10 like aircraft to have a speed of Mach 3 ! Obviously that's also something that just very irregular and was asked to consider them as simple A-10s.
In your case, I suppose we can assume that they land, refuel and take off again. That's a time consuming procedure, just so you are aware off.
Also, regarding the Ajax missile, I just realized that since Dervin hasn't posted yet, you guys don't have any missiles to use from those sites! I think Montague has some 20 missiles or so and that's it.
About the Gripen, almost all planes are indigenously built in micronations, but look extremely similar to real world aircrafts. A few modifications are allowed, like giving an extra range of 100 kms or so, a little boost in speed and capabilities etc... However, giving such a huge range is something I have not seen usually. I know Malliki or someone on the Ashkenatzi side posted their A-10 like aircraft to have a speed of Mach 3 ! Obviously that's also something that just very irregular and was asked to consider them as simple A-10s.
In your case, I suppose we can assume that they land, refuel and take off again. That's a time consuming procedure, just so you are aware off.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
Although it takes about 15-25 minutes to clear a Gripen fighter in the Swedish Air Force.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
That’s not true, for maintenance maybe but for other air forces it takes no more than 3 minutes to scramble jet fighters and have them in the air. If that really is true for Sweden then you all are easy targets.
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...Matt - that's not what Gripen itself says! http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations ... khours.htm
...Are you going to argue with the manufacturers of the fighter?
...Are you going to argue with the manufacturers of the fighter?
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But that is the Real World Gripen, not the Ocian Gripen.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
Matt, do you know what it means to clear a fighter jet? Or am I using a word that is unfamiliar to you? Jets that are ready for scrambling are usually fuelled and loaded and the pilot usually just have to jump in the cockpit. But when he or she has completed his or her mission there is usually a need for refuelling and rearming (unless your nation is called Ocia where you actually have INFINITE ammo since you punched in the cheat). This procedure is carried out by conscripts in the Swedish Air Force and usually takes no more than 15-25 minutes. The record for the old Viggen fighter was 15 minutes at least, I would not be surprised if the clearing time for the Gripen is shorter.
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Re: Ocians, Please Clarify
Even rapid reloads in a conflict zone in an airfield in the battlezone are going to be at least seven or so minutes long. For the jet to clear from a standstill, some fuel added and clearance gained from ground control - even in a warzone - no modern jet be able to land, reload and refuel within three minutes. Even the tens of thousands of billion dollar F-35 Lightning II's which Ocia supposedly has.
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