[JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
Sorry Kovac, but Scott and I are busy designing a new recwar Charter that has a far simpler way of working out battles, and now that its 3/4s off the ground, aren't interested in judging Anunia.
Besides, I'm far too busy fighting off shadows while testing my new storywar charter (designed for people who want a recwar to tell a good story, and not to resolve political disputes); and of course, in the process of finishing off the new magic charter so it can be released IC when the Fated War is finished. In short, I'm quite recwar chartered out in all the areas of recwar that interest me (story telling, non-disputing and magic) - judging this war would involve the two areas of recwar that least interest me (angry disputes and specific modern weapons), and so I must politely refuse the offer. I haven't been following this war too seriously, but it does seem sensible to pause the war if there are a lot of simultaneous disputes (its messed up previous wars, not pausing). If you're in the right, then I'm sure you can carefully, politely and rationally explain why your disputed moves are valid; all without resorting to personal attacks. If that sentence seems impossible, difficult, or in any way personally biased against you, then I'm afraid that until you can master that sentence, recwar is not for you. Regardless of charter, Recwar absolutely requires a willingness to engage constructively with your opponents, as well as a modicum of respect for others; at least, if it is to remain recreational.
Besides, I'm far too busy fighting off shadows while testing my new storywar charter (designed for people who want a recwar to tell a good story, and not to resolve political disputes); and of course, in the process of finishing off the new magic charter so it can be released IC when the Fated War is finished. In short, I'm quite recwar chartered out in all the areas of recwar that interest me (story telling, non-disputing and magic) - judging this war would involve the two areas of recwar that least interest me (angry disputes and specific modern weapons), and so I must politely refuse the offer. I haven't been following this war too seriously, but it does seem sensible to pause the war if there are a lot of simultaneous disputes (its messed up previous wars, not pausing). If you're in the right, then I'm sure you can carefully, politely and rationally explain why your disputed moves are valid; all without resorting to personal attacks. If that sentence seems impossible, difficult, or in any way personally biased against you, then I'm afraid that until you can master that sentence, recwar is not for you. Regardless of charter, Recwar absolutely requires a willingness to engage constructively with your opponents, as well as a modicum of respect for others; at least, if it is to remain recreational.
Andreas
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
How am I supposed to negotiate with paranoid fanatics who have nothing better to do then this all day??
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
Kovac... as far as your unit is concerned, you just have the range of the Gripen jets under question.. which in my opinion is a very valid concern on behalf of chrims.
Here's a couple of options for you to settle your issues:
1. Move the gripens to a city within 80 pixels of Lucern. Advantage of this is that you will have aircrafts ready to strike at the antican and ashkenatzi fighters/helicopters/ground troops and the time spent traveling will be minimum. You also dont have to worry about losing any refueling tankers. Disadvantage is that you are within their strike range as well (which can be negated if you have clever tactics and strategy).
2. Mention that fighters flying in from outside 80 pixels of Lucern are refueled at around 50 to 60 pixels from Lucern. That would allow these aircrafts to Lucern, attack and get back to base (you might require another aerial refueling to get back, depending upon how far you have to travel). Advantage is that you are outside of their strike range. But disadvantage is that you have to spend time traveling a longer distance and time in refueling. This will limit your capabilities in participating in defense of ocian ground forces at/near Lucern because the ashkenatzi/antican fighters would have gone back to their base already by the time your aircrafts get to Lucern! Also, another potential disadvantage is the enemy striking your refueling tankers. If that happens, then you not only lose those tankers, but those fighters that were going to be refueled by that tanker, as these fighters can't get back to their base.
3. Mention that the fighters will be refueled on their way back from Lucern. Advantage is that you will not have to waste time in refueling to get to Lucern. Disadvantage is that the air engagements can't last too long for you, unless you want to do the air-2-air refueling closer to Lucern. But that would put your tankers in the enemy's range as well. And that's a disadvantage if you lose the tanker. You lose the fighter as well.
I can't think of any other way for your fighters to fight those antican fighters and make it back safely. Choose an option, or think of a good way yourself if you can (ask guido or montague if its valid/possible move).
Leave the rest of the arguments (points 3 and 4?) for montague, as it affects him and koyla. And montague seems to be doing a good job so far anyway.
Guido
Could you at least state why Kovac's aerial drop is being disregarded? Can't we just say that kovac sent the aircraft for aerial drop. Chris detected it and launched his alert fighters. Kovac does the aerial drop and his aircraft begins to return back, but gets destroyed by Chris' fighters.
This way, kovac is able to play his move.. and Chris is able to claim and maintain air superiority ?
Here's a couple of options for you to settle your issues:
1. Move the gripens to a city within 80 pixels of Lucern. Advantage of this is that you will have aircrafts ready to strike at the antican and ashkenatzi fighters/helicopters/ground troops and the time spent traveling will be minimum. You also dont have to worry about losing any refueling tankers. Disadvantage is that you are within their strike range as well (which can be negated if you have clever tactics and strategy).
2. Mention that fighters flying in from outside 80 pixels of Lucern are refueled at around 50 to 60 pixels from Lucern. That would allow these aircrafts to Lucern, attack and get back to base (you might require another aerial refueling to get back, depending upon how far you have to travel). Advantage is that you are outside of their strike range. But disadvantage is that you have to spend time traveling a longer distance and time in refueling. This will limit your capabilities in participating in defense of ocian ground forces at/near Lucern because the ashkenatzi/antican fighters would have gone back to their base already by the time your aircrafts get to Lucern! Also, another potential disadvantage is the enemy striking your refueling tankers. If that happens, then you not only lose those tankers, but those fighters that were going to be refueled by that tanker, as these fighters can't get back to their base.
3. Mention that the fighters will be refueled on their way back from Lucern. Advantage is that you will not have to waste time in refueling to get to Lucern. Disadvantage is that the air engagements can't last too long for you, unless you want to do the air-2-air refueling closer to Lucern. But that would put your tankers in the enemy's range as well. And that's a disadvantage if you lose the tanker. You lose the fighter as well.
I can't think of any other way for your fighters to fight those antican fighters and make it back safely. Choose an option, or think of a good way yourself if you can (ask guido or montague if its valid/possible move).
Leave the rest of the arguments (points 3 and 4?) for montague, as it affects him and koyla. And montague seems to be doing a good job so far anyway.
Guido
Could you at least state why Kovac's aerial drop is being disregarded? Can't we just say that kovac sent the aircraft for aerial drop. Chris detected it and launched his alert fighters. Kovac does the aerial drop and his aircraft begins to return back, but gets destroyed by Chris' fighters.
This way, kovac is able to play his move.. and Chris is able to claim and maintain air superiority ?
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
If certain members of the Ocian party have nothing to do other than to be sore losers, and fail to state any grounds for appeal against a single one of my clearly "biased" decisions, then I don't see what more I can do.
Kovac's aerial drop was disregarded for two reasons: one, because it takes place in Lucern after previously disregarded moves, and secondly because it is unashamed godmodding.
Order.
The Ocian Air Defence Command has been removed from the Ocian Orbat, because the Ocian party failed to remedy the problem of the 900 extra points.
The suspension of the war is now lifted, and conditions are as stated in my initial ruling.
Kovac's aerial drop was disregarded for two reasons: one, because it takes place in Lucern after previously disregarded moves, and secondly because it is unashamed godmodding.
Order.
The Ocian Air Defence Command has been removed from the Ocian Orbat, because the Ocian party failed to remedy the problem of the 900 extra points.
The suspension of the war is now lifted, and conditions are as stated in my initial ruling.
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
Guido get a life. I'm not recognizing the legitimacy of this rec war when the Judge is clearly a biased prad who calls Antica's claim that they have 'air superiority' without ever demonstrating that it's constant or has ever been established complete garbage. In addition, I also said on several accounts that Ocia doesn’t have the 90 air defence units because we cant afford them and I said to disregard them which proves my claim.
I bar any Ocian Party or anyone on the Ocian side from furthermore participating in this BS biased recwar, I'm not signing any treaty ending it either. You just screwed yourself. I'm done.
I bar any Ocian Party or anyone on the Ocian side from furthermore participating in this BS biased recwar, I'm not signing any treaty ending it either. You just screwed yourself. I'm done.
Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
A word of caution. If you EVER want to be a part of this hobby and join the community which it has produced then you are seriously going to have to adress that attitude of yours. You don't hold the cards here, Kovacs. This war is just one of many examples showing that you simply can't co-operate and act in the mature manner that this hobby requires.Guido get a life. I'm not recognizing the legitimacy of this rec war when the Judge is clearly a biased prad who calls Antica's claim that they have 'air superiority' without ever demonstrating that it's constant or has ever been established complete garbage. In addition, I also said on several accounts that Ocia doesn’t have the 90 air defence units because we cant afford them and I said to disregard them which proves my claim.
I bar any Ocian Party or anyone on the Ocian side from furthermore participating in this BS biased recwar, I'm not signing any treatyending it either. You just screwed yourself. I'm done.
...and this is coming from someone who uses micronationalism solely for egotism, and not for any educational or simulationalist aim? Seriously...Guido get a life
Sorry? I thought that Ocia was a democracy...I bar any Ocian Party or anyone on the Ocian side
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
I said several times that Ocia has cleared up the air defence problem and that we dont have those units, Guido decides to criple 1/3rd of our force because he says that we continue to claim we have it and I'm not accepting it. I could care less what my public opinion is.
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
There was an educational aim? Who knew?...and this is coming from someone who uses micronationalism solely for egotism, and not for any educational or simulationalist aim? Seriously...
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
I'm sorry, what? If you've said that you don't have them, then how does my removing them make any difference?
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
Taking away the air force does.
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
The "Ocian Air Defence Command" is commanded by Kolya, the "Air Force Command" is something else all together. I haven't touched that, I've merely removed the 900 extra points.Guido Zambelis wrote:The Ocian Air Defence Command has been removed from the Ocian Orbat
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
decisions ours mate, so sorry... maybe if you try playing fair and getting a judge that isnt totally inept and tendentious, we would have considered coming back, but honestly we could all care less. back to stage 1.
Generalissimo Kolya Radchenko
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Minister of Defense & Justice of the Ocian Federation
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Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
The decision to keep within the points limit is indeed yours but you didn't, so you failkolyaradchenko wrote:decisions ours mate, so sorry...
I don't recwar at all and even I can figure that one out
Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
...Insomuch as that many participants of micronationalism apparently find that after a while they've actually learnt quite a bit about philosophy, politics, economics, military tactics and so forth.There was an educational aim? Who knew?
Re: [JP] Chrimigules vs. Montague, Kolya, Kovac; Entire Ocian Ca
That's right, just flounce off and tell yourself that before writing an ill-concieved and childish post about how you vanquished the 'facsist ashkenatzi pigs'. Not worrying about your public opinion means that you'll never get any more citizens, and eventually your nation will die.I could[n't] care less what my public opinion is.
You can try and look as superior as you want, but you're just as expected to adhere to social norms and RecWar conventions which you yourself signed as any other member of this community.
I've stressed this before, and I'll stress it again:
Kovac, you're no better than anyone else in this community. Stop acting like you are.
If you want to prove me wrong, then be mature about this and actually accept that you bent the rules.
Don't just throw a toddler's tantrum whenever things don't go your way.
I think that wraps things up. Essentially, what we have here is the Ocian side forfeiting any chances of victory in this war.
Ocia is bound to give up the territories she stated she would in the documents Kovac signed before this war, so that's how it'll have to be.
The fact that Piran and Amokolia were both lost to hostile forces and that, unlike any opposing nation, Ocia actually had foreign troops occupying her homeland is as close to an alliance victory (which was probably inevitable, given the Shirereithan, Babkhi, and Antican forces which were in the process of deploying until this recent issue occurred) as we'll ever see.
Kovac, through his own stubbornness, has lost this war.