[FRC] Recovery of territory
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[FRC] Recovery of territory
Name & Title: Arkadius Frederik Gustavus des Vinandy
E-Mail/Contact: discord (Gustaaf Vermeylen)
Nation: Frankish Empire
Request:
Due to the occupation of so-called West Amokolia by Elwynn, Froyalaners have been found within Raspur territory. This is a violation of the Treaty of Mittlere Stadt. Because of this the Frankish Empire has the right to reclaim Mittlere Stadt.
E-Mail/Contact: discord (Gustaaf Vermeylen)
Nation: Frankish Empire
Request:
Due to the occupation of so-called West Amokolia by Elwynn, Froyalaners have been found within Raspur territory. This is a violation of the Treaty of Mittlere Stadt. Because of this the Frankish Empire has the right to reclaim Mittlere Stadt.
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
Not even a link to the relevant treaty?
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
At your service:
https://micras.org/wiki/index.php?title ... lere_Stadt
https://micras.org/wiki/index.php?title ... lere_Stadt
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
Elwynn politely objects on the grounds that when the Frankish Empire was dissolved a few weeks ago, the obligations of the Frankish Empire and Elwynn to one another ceased. The new Frankish state is under both Amokolian and Elwynnese law a different legal entity (see for example why the FMF for the Arborian Isles is FRK and not FRC).
West Amokolia is not part of the Raspur Pact. It is being aided by the RP in restoring order in the country after the sudden ragequit by its former king and sometime emperor. Also, is Arkadius really suggesting that West Amokolia start killing off Froyalaners en masse in order to uphold the treaty he believes still bonds Elwynn (a country his government declared illegal in a court judgement, so it’s weird to see Francia now believing Elwynn to be sovereign enough to be bound by treaties with his realm).
In order to solve this little dispute, I move that we simply agree that (1) we won’t harm the Froyalaners, and (2) those Froyalaners so desiring may fly to the Arbor Isles vía the Oyster airport for a new life there.
West Amokolia is not part of the Raspur Pact. It is being aided by the RP in restoring order in the country after the sudden ragequit by its former king and sometime emperor. Also, is Arkadius really suggesting that West Amokolia start killing off Froyalaners en masse in order to uphold the treaty he believes still bonds Elwynn (a country his government declared illegal in a court judgement, so it’s weird to see Francia now believing Elwynn to be sovereign enough to be bound by treaties with his realm).
In order to solve this little dispute, I move that we simply agree that (1) we won’t harm the Froyalaners, and (2) those Froyalaners so desiring may fly to the Arbor Isles vía the Oyster airport for a new life there.
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
The Frankish Empire of today is a continuation of the Frankish Empire of a few weeks ago. This can be seen from my statement here and the name of the topic by the previous speaker of this topic. A continuation and a reclaim.
As can be read here, the so-called West Amokolia is under Raspur occupation.
That's a violation of the treaty.
As can be read here, the so-called West Amokolia is under Raspur occupation.
That's a violation of the treaty.
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Again I disagree with the Frankish statement. It is clear that the court judgement of the Frankish Froyalan Trubunal invalidated on part of Francia all relations and obligations with Elwynn. Shireroth confirmed this to the Elwynnese and West Amokolian authorities this morning, as it was a deliberate matter raised during the negotiations between Francia and Shireroth in the previous Norton year. To suddenly recognise the sovereignty of Elwynn is bad faith and illegal under Frankish law.
That said, the Raspur Pact were invited, they are not belligerently occupying Frankish territory. Furthermore, the right of claim in the referenced treaty has lapsed. Moreover, even if West Amokolia were to return to Elwynn, the referenced treaty only gives a right to Francia to occupy it, not to claim it. The authorities in West Amokolia are happy to cooperate with the Frankish authorities on many issues, including the formation of new treaties, historical cooperation and the safety of the Froyalanish people.
It appears however that the Franks have no such desire, trying to force us either to engage in genocide or hand over land. We wish to avoid both outcomes, but if Francia forces our hand, Francia will not get any land.
We implore the Frankish government to engage with us in negotiations with West Amokolia and the Raspur Pact based on good faith and the sanctity of life and the sovereignty of all nations.
That said, the Raspur Pact were invited, they are not belligerently occupying Frankish territory. Furthermore, the right of claim in the referenced treaty has lapsed. Moreover, even if West Amokolia were to return to Elwynn, the referenced treaty only gives a right to Francia to occupy it, not to claim it. The authorities in West Amokolia are happy to cooperate with the Frankish authorities on many issues, including the formation of new treaties, historical cooperation and the safety of the Froyalanish people.
It appears however that the Franks have no such desire, trying to force us either to engage in genocide or hand over land. We wish to avoid both outcomes, but if Francia forces our hand, Francia will not get any land.
We implore the Frankish government to engage with us in negotiations with West Amokolia and the Raspur Pact based on good faith and the sanctity of life and the sovereignty of all nations.
Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
Contrary to what some people seem to think, the MCS is not a settling body for territorial disputes.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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Elwynn repudiates the treaty and retains the territory by virtue of prior occupation and narrative consequence. I bid a good day to all here present.
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
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If you claim that the Froyalan Tribunal is Frankish, why does the so-called West Amokolia steal this institute?Ric wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:30 amAgain I disagree with the Frankish statement. It is clear that the court judgement of the Frankish Froyalan Trubunal invalidated on part of Francia all relations and obligations with Elwynn. Shireroth confirmed this to the Elwynnese and West Amokolian authorities this morning, as it was a deliberate matter raised during the negotiations between Francia and Shireroth in the previous Norton year. To suddenly recognise the sovereignty of Elwynn is bad faith and illegal under Frankish law.
That said, the Raspur Pact were invited, they are not belligerently occupying Frankish territory. Furthermore, the right of claim in the referenced treaty has lapsed. Moreover, even if West Amokolia were to return to Elwynn, the referenced treaty only gives a right to Francia to occupy it, not to claim it. The authorities in West Amokolia are happy to cooperate with the Frankish authorities on many issues, including the formation of new treaties, historical cooperation and the safety of the Froyalanish people.
It appears however that the Franks have no such desire, trying to force us either to engage in genocide or hand over land. We wish to avoid both outcomes, but if Francia forces our hand, Francia will not get any land.
We implore the Frankish government to engage with us in negotiations with West Amokolia and the Raspur Pact based on good faith and the sanctity of life and the sovereignty of all nations.
And what a strange way of arguing? So if I leave my front door open, can a burglar just come and steal? How can you be forced into genocide? What strange talk of yours?
Characteristic of the reliability of the Raspur Pact. If you don't like a treaty, you withdraw it and do what you want.Continuator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:54 amElwynn repudiates the treaty and retains the territory by virtue of prior occupation and narrative consequence. I bid a good day to all here present.
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
How is the Micra's chessboard playing out for you? Nearly at checkmate yet?
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You're more childish than I thought.Continuator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:41 amHow is the Micra's chessboard playing out for you? Nearly at checkmate yet?
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Of course, of course, said the gentleman who moments earlier had tried to game the system on a technicality.Gustaaf Vermeylen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:48 amYou're more childish than I thought.Continuator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:41 amHow is the Micra's chessboard playing out for you? Nearly at checkmate yet?
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
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Re: [FRC] Recovery of territory
There's no need to be deliberately provocative. Arky has accepted the decision, let's move on.