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Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:56 am
by NewZimiaGov
Well, I'm glad to know that there are people higher up on your personal shit list.

I didn't oppose the relevant article to the charter because I see good application for it. The reduction rule could well serve as a last step before ultimate removal of a dead nation. If the Bassarids were showing signs of being truly dead, then sure, a 20% reduction would be completely fair. You could even do the same thing in 3 months and I probably wouldn't care. But the Imperial Trade Association, while perhaps not as active as it once was, does not show signs of being near death by any rational measure. A lesser reduction would be less detestable, but the simple fact is that I shouldn't have had to ask for a percentage in the first place. I only wish that I thought of it sooner!

I won't be submitting another proposal. I invite the council to do what it has to do, bearing in mind the fiasco that is this article's first attempt at implementation. If your decision doesn't utterly burn out the flame, then I'll consider working on the areas which you deem insufficient.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:53 am
by Joe
The issue here is that any efforts you were able to muster during your busy period seemed to be entirely focused on the Periphery and not the ITU. You specifically asked us to consider those separately when you applied for independent membership for the Periphery. Literally all you need to do is keep up the levels of activity we saw in between the notice being announced and this spell of complaining instead of doing work, and any reductions will be able to claimed back.

The issue here is your prioritisation, first with the Periphery, and now with arguing with the Council.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:33 pm
by NewZimiaGov
I dont think thats fair at all. Not only did I work on the hpi, not only including an economic update, but other people also jumped in with their own activity. It seems to me that the council brought this forward on the basis of a fixation of the BP rather than over any real concern over activity.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:51 pm
by Craitman
NewZimiaGov wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:56 am
bearing in mind the fiasco that is this article's first attempt at implementation.
The first attempt at implementation since we stopped using forum posts as the sole metric. Plenty of nations had forced reductions put through for averaging under 0.5 PPD for three consecutive months when that was the specific rule (or even under 1 PPD prior to the Charter update of 2014 in which the threshold was made somewhat more lenient).

I really can't fathom the logic that this reduction is supposed to be related to the Bassarid Periphery, though. That's a completely separate nation which has been kept active enough for the size of its claims in recent months. If there were an issue with its activity, we would request a reduction for it, not somewhere else...

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:25 pm
by NewZimiaGov
Well, the 3 month period started immediately after the BP claim, and this reduction was proposed the very day after certain council members got themselves worked up over the BP on discord.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:40 pm
by Malliki
Instead of looking for conspiracies and foul play where there aren't any, write some damn articles for HPI.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:42 pm
by Craitman
NewZimiaGov wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:25 pm
Well, the 3 month period started immediately after the BP claim,
The Bassarid Periphery was established at the start of May (and added to Micras at the end of May). The period where HPI's activity dropped notably began around mid-August...

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:02 pm
by Craitman
Following the above, and a subsequent Council vote after discussion:
Malliki wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:57 pm
Proposal 4 (P4): HPI loses all territories outside the four main territories on the map, plus Bijaro's suggested reduction (marked on the map), minus mainland Haifa (627 pixels, marked on the map). Loss: 7,506 pixels (17%)

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HPI keeps Jangsong.

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Map showing the main areas referred to, as well as Bijaro's suggested reduction and what constitutes "mainland Haifa".
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Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:10 pm
by Jack
Just a question, I see that the ITU is yellow for two months, and green for the last month on Craitman's activity check. Apparently the council still judges its activity insufficient. What is the value of this activity check then? Are two times "unconvinced" and one time "favourably" enough for reduction? Does this depend on the size of the claim?

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:18 pm
by Craitman
Inactivity is not calendar month-specific, just over any given ninety-day period...

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:31 pm
by Malliki
We also of course expect more activity from a larger nation than a smaller one. More pixels, more activity to keep them.

Re: Notice of Reduction to the Haifo-Pallisican Imperial Trade Union

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:34 pm
by Craitman
Oh, and November has since had a boost for the ITU's activity following the notice of reduction's submission, which will be a solid foundation to help support any future reclaim of the lost lands :)