Alexandrian claim
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Alexandrian claim
Name & Title: Guy Ziegler, His Majesty's Third Consul, Empire of the Alexandrians
E-Mail/Contact: alexandria at ninetyone dot org
Nation: Empire of the Alexandrians
Request:
Notes: See viewtopic.php?f=62&t=5161 for backstory. If hostile claim is seen as unacceptable, then please take this as a request for a reduction in Ocia's territory due to their total lack of activity.
E-Mail/Contact: alexandria at ninetyone dot org
Nation: Empire of the Alexandrians
Request:
Notes: See viewtopic.php?f=62&t=5161 for backstory. If hostile claim is seen as unacceptable, then please take this as a request for a reduction in Ocia's territory due to their total lack of activity.
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Re: Alexandrian claim
And just this weekend I was going to post a reduction request for the Ocians for that very reason...Guido Zambelis wrote:If hostile claim is seen as unacceptable, then please take this as a request for a reduction in Ocia's territory due to their total lack of activity.
Re: Alexandrian claim
So, Hammish Monovia is the only Monovia now
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Re: Alexandrian claim
Mind you, just transferring the land from Ocia to Alexandria would be geographically and procedurally elegant, but I'm not sure the MCS should get directly involved in that kind of practice. Would be kinda funny, though. Alas...
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Re: Alexandrian claim
Even if a forced reduction of Ocia is put forward by the Council, it is a direct affront to MCS policy to accept an immediate claim on the area (allowing for reconstitution time), and it violates the policy that the MCS will involve itself in hostile claims (the territory should be marked as disputed). Furthermore, although not a policy matter, Alexandria hardly warrants expansion given they just opted for Stormarker protection due to inactivity.
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The wardship authorities, which are the only remaining functioning body within Ocia, naturally object to this. A hostile take-over is not permitted on Micras under normal circumstance and I don't see why this should be allowed.
If the MCS wants to forcibly reduce the Ocian claim due to inactivity that's fine and I won't make any comment on such a plan, as of course it would be justified given recent events. In fact I wouldn't mind others claiming the territory immediately after a reduction, but simply claiming a chunk of another nation's land without consulting them is rather under the belt.
If the MCS wants to forcibly reduce the Ocian claim due to inactivity that's fine and I won't make any comment on such a plan, as of course it would be justified given recent events. In fact I wouldn't mind others claiming the territory immediately after a reduction, but simply claiming a chunk of another nation's land without consulting them is rather under the belt.
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Jeremy, with respect, simply claiming an entire nation without consulting them is rather under the belt. Not that I have any particular sympathies for Ocia nor for its survival, but the best way to resolve all these issues would be if the MCS simply removed Ocia altogether, following which Castrum Nazarene and Alexandria could then expand into its former territory as they wished. That would allow both sides to nominally claim Ocia as their territory without getting involved in the tricky legal problems around whether Ocia can legally become part of Castrum Nazarene, or whether Alexandria can take over Ocian Monovia.
It also seems clear to me that though Alexandria nominally became a protectorate of Stormark, over the past month or so Alexandrian activity has been on the up since a Constitutional Convention was called and more power was vested in Ministers rather than the Sovereign- as someone who tries to post often in Alexandria, from what I can see it's actually more active than Stormark these days.
It also seems clear to me that though Alexandria nominally became a protectorate of Stormark, over the past month or so Alexandrian activity has been on the up since a Constitutional Convention was called and more power was vested in Ministers rather than the Sovereign- as someone who tries to post often in Alexandria, from what I can see it's actually more active than Stormark these days.
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Re: Alexandrian claim
I think you should check the Forumlist. Alexandria is indeed not inactive but it is by no means more active than Stormark.Maximos wrote:It also seems clear to me that though Alexandria nominally became a protectorate of Stormark, over the past month or so Alexandrian activity has been on the up since a Constitutional Convention was called and more power was vested in Ministers rather than the Sovereign- as someone who tries to post often in Alexandria, from what I can see it's actually more active than Stormark these days.
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Max, you minunderstand the terms of the wardship. Castrum Nazarene doesn't want any Ocian territory for ourselves, indeed we aren't seeking any territorial expansion at all and certainly wouldn't look at any land in that geographical location or on that scale.
The prime purpose of wardship is to make sure the people of Ocia (by which i refer to the fictional population) aren't disregarded in the absence of the Ocian government. I've previously said that if the MCS wants to remove Ocia, and i wouldn't say that's a bad idea, they are certainly free to do so and I won't say a word against removal if that is the will of the council.
The prime purpose of wardship is to make sure the people of Ocia (by which i refer to the fictional population) aren't disregarded in the absence of the Ocian government. I've previously said that if the MCS wants to remove Ocia, and i wouldn't say that's a bad idea, they are certainly free to do so and I won't say a word against removal if that is the will of the council.
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Re: Alexandrian claim
I understand where you coming from Jeremy, but I can see why Max might have misunderstood; from one perspective you effectively taking control of the nation to protect the fictional population, yet you'd be more than happy to have this fictional population wiped off the map.Alfred Dunholm wrote:The prime purpose of wardship is to make sure the people of Ocia (by which i refer to the fictional population) aren't disregarded in the absence of the Ocian government. I've previously said that if the MCS wants to remove Ocia, and i wouldn't say that's a bad idea, they are certainly free to do so and I won't say a word against removal if that is the will of the council.
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Re: Alexandrian claim
If they cease to exist as fictional beings that is hardly an issue of concern, but if they have their homeland occupied within the context of our fictional world then the simulation does require the issue to be considered . I realise that the above probably doesn't make a lot of sense, so we'll compare it to this;
If we say for the sake of arguement that Micras is the Island of Sodor (the setting for "Thomas the Tank Engine") and that Ocia is Percy the emotionally disturbed little blue train. If Percy is quite simply not in the programme any more it doesn't really matter, in the same way that if Ocia were not in the simulated world of Micras it wouldn't matter, but if however every episode featured a clip of Percy's rotting hulk in a breaking yard that would be upsetting somewhat. It's the same with Ocia's simulated population; if they simply cease to be then that isn't an issue, but if they're still there but only a shadow of their former selves it isn't tolerable.
I don't know if that made it any less confusing
If we say for the sake of arguement that Micras is the Island of Sodor (the setting for "Thomas the Tank Engine") and that Ocia is Percy the emotionally disturbed little blue train. If Percy is quite simply not in the programme any more it doesn't really matter, in the same way that if Ocia were not in the simulated world of Micras it wouldn't matter, but if however every episode featured a clip of Percy's rotting hulk in a breaking yard that would be upsetting somewhat. It's the same with Ocia's simulated population; if they simply cease to be then that isn't an issue, but if they're still there but only a shadow of their former selves it isn't tolerable.
I don't know if that made it any less confusing
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Never heard of Percy being described like that before...
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Indeed further research has shown that Percy is green not blue, but we'll let it pass
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Alfred Dunholm wrote:If they cease to exist as fictional beings that is hardly an issue of concern, but if they have their homeland occupied within the context of our fictional world then the simulation does require the issue to be considered . I realise that the above probably doesn't make a lot of sense, so we'll compare it to this;
If we say for the sake of arguement that Micras is the Island of Sodor (the setting for "Thomas the Tank Engine") and that Ocia is Percy the emotionally disturbed little blue train. If Percy is quite simply not in the programme any more it doesn't really matter, in the same way that if Ocia were not in the simulated world of Micras it wouldn't matter, but if however every episode featured a clip of Percy's rotting hulk in a breaking yard that would be upsetting somewhat. It's the same with Ocia's simulated population; if they simply cease to be then that isn't an issue, but if they're still there but only a shadow of their former selves it isn't tolerable.
I don't know if that made it any less confusing
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Re: Alexandrian claim
Henry was green.....
Isn't there precedent for this from Elwynn's landgrab on Victoria from Amokolia?
Isn't there precedent for this from Elwynn's landgrab on Victoria from Amokolia?
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