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Post by Craitman » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:24 pm

Name & Title: Adam Davidson-Hooper, Foreign Secretary
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Nation: Victoria
Reason: The empire has been officially dissolved, with the queen's declaration of dissolution being found here on the Victorian forum.
Notes: The following subsections in the aforementioned declaration are applicable to a number of nations with whom Victoria retained close relations:
  1. That the Kingdom and Empire's SCUE and other monetary assets be transferred to the Empire of the Alexandrians.
  2. That the Kingdom and Empire's Armed Forces, including those of the Kingdom of Lovely, are transferred to the High Realm of Stormark.
  3. That the Victorian Royal Family shall from this moment forward reside in Stormark.
  4. That the territory of Valencia is hereby donated to the Empire of the Alexandrians.
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Post by Andreas the Wise » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:05 am

I should note that according to the SCUE treaty, all currency left in Victorian bank accounts is removed from circulation, NOT transferred to another nation. This is a deliberately designed part to keep the amount of currency in circulation roughly balanced to the number of participating citizens. I know this isn't the right place for that note, but I thought I'd put it in here since it was included in the notes to the claim.
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Post by Craitman » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:14 am

No worries, completely understandable. As you know I'm not SCUE-involved, so I was just passing-on the message :)
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Post by Elijah Ayreon » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:53 pm

Question:

If Victoria wants to cede the Valencian territories to Alexandria, shouldn't that be a claim that Alexandria makes (not Victoria), possibly in conjunction with Victoria?
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Post by Craitman » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:41 pm

"Land gifts", as we call them, used to be pretty popular and have always been voted-on as submitted by the nation ceding the land. Unless Alexandria actively withdraw from accepting the gift (or the Council votes against it on activity reasons), then it'll go through :)
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Post by Elijah Ayreon » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:47 am

As I understand, land gifts were usually done by treaty (so you would have some proof of acceptance).

I just want some kind of legal policy from the Council. A gift is a gift, but to be valid, it should be accepted by the recepient before it is effective.
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Post by Craitman » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:58 am

Treaties aren't necessary; an informal acceptance by someone with the authority from the nation would suit us fine.

Just for peace of mind, I've contacted Alexandria regarding this matter asking that a delegate accepts (or declines) the "land gift" here as soon as possible before we can accept it on the map...
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Post by Edgard » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:34 pm

In my capacity as Emperor of all Alexandrians, I hereby attest that we have accepted the land gift provided by the former Kingdom of Victoria.
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Post by Craitman » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:56 pm

This must be the end of an era; there'll be no remnants of Lovely other than ruins left on the map once this gets added :o

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Post by Guido Zambelis » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:36 pm

Didn't I submit a voluntary redux before Lovely joined Victoria?
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Post by Craitman » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:15 am

As in a reduction to Lovely or Victoria?
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Post by Guido Zambelis » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:45 pm

Lovely - I thought it was removed before Victoria came along?
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Post by Craitman » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:16 pm

It was reduced to a "residual territory" on the few islands to the south-west of Beaugium's mainland, which was then annexed by Victoria when we reduced our lands to not include Amokolia :)
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