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Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:37 pm
by Erasmus
While we could agree with all these points, would His Majesty the High King still want to build a canal, which I would estimate at several hundred billions of dollars to build, when he can traverse the Strait of Barbary without added costs?

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:56 pm
by High King Harald
Kaiser Stan I wrote:Apologies, High King. I'm used to writing "vikings.invisionzone" into my search bar. :wink:
No problem. :)
Kaiser Stan I wrote:Stormark has claimed this territory, with the purpose of encouraging tourism and international trade in the Inner Sea. The objection from Southbatavia (very recently independent, yet to be recognised by the MCS) is that this prevents them from expanding naturally. Their only other border is with Alexandria, who is unlikely to move. There is no denying that Stormark deserves this land. If you're sceptical, visit: they're very active and highly developed, both as a state and as a culture. Each subdivision or Jarldom has its own distinct culture and unique identifying marks. And hence the name of this newly claimed territory and the cities to be founded.

Together we can reach an amicable solution.

The first point to be emphasised is that in making this claim, no mistake must be made that Zuidbatavie really is being hampered in. It's the character of the claim that I think is found galling- it's a strip that forms a roadblock to further natural contiguous expansion. I hope the High Realm can recognise this.
The second is that Stormark has legitimately claimed this unclaimed territory and no amount of national aspiration can trump that. In many a case, claims conflict and nations are frustruated. Stormark must not be viewed as a wrongdoer, although their legal behaviour has clearly upset Southbatavia.

I hope representatives from both nations can accept these premises. From there, I propose the following solution:
-Southbatavia allows absolute freedom of passage for Stormarkian trading and tourism in the strait.
-The Stormarkian city of Castellamare del Golfo be founded just to the south of the current Southbatavia border (of the region of Canton of Barbarije) without protruding further inland.
-The Canale be allowed to exist across Southbatavian territory and run across the border to the newly-marked settlement of Cefalù.

Does Southbatavia oppose these liberties for Stormarkian ships and caravans? Does Stormark feel it legitimately needs to claim more territory on Cibola?
Stormark agrees to the proposed solution.

Could you draft a Treaty concerning this matter, Imperial Cousin?

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:57 pm
by High King Harald
Mordechai B.E. wrote:While we could agree with all these points, would His Majesty the High King still want to build a canal, which I would estimate at several hundred billions of dollars to build, when he can traverse the Strait of Barbary without added costs?
That is the price of superstition, Royal Cousin. The eastern portion of the sea between High Queen Hervör Isle and the Barbary Straits is our Bermuda Triangle.

Fortunatly, Stormark can easily pay those costs since we have an enormous Sovereign Wealth Fund due to oil and natural gas revenues and the bounty of the Fulltrui, the three Ladies Divine Frigga, Freyja and Idunn.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:03 am
by Benkern
High King Harald wrote:Stormark agrees to the proposed solution.

Could you draft a Treaty concerning this matter, Imperial Cousin?
I shall post a draft as soon as it is completed!

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:21 pm
by Benkern
A draft for the consideration of both nations.
The Treaty of the Inner Sea
between
The Empire of Jingdao & South Batavia
and
The High Realm of Stormark
(Hereafter referred to collectively as 'The Treaty Parties')


Recognising the disputes that have unfortunately arisen from recent events surrounding the Strait of Barbary as disruptive to the region,
Aspiring to see peace and unquestionable stability returned to the Inner Sea and the whole continent of Cibola, and
Realising that only through mutual understanding backed up by diplomatic interaction can this be achieved,

The Treaty Parties hereby agree to the following points and pledge to adhere to the responsibilities it lays down until such time as by mutual consent it is agreed that they need no longer apply, or one of the Treaty Parties is defunct, with a peaceable approach and a spirit of mutual respect.

1. Each Treaty Party recognises the respective rights of the other with regard to the Barbary Strait: in the case of Jingdao & South Batavia, the rights due to the sovereign controller of marine territory, and in the case of Stormark, unfettered access for its own ships and those ships its government shall sponsor for the purposes of tourism, international and internal trade, economic, cultural and infrastructural maintenance and other purposes as reasonably to be derived from these general headings.
2. Stormark recognises the right of Jingdao & South Batavia to expand to the south of its Canton of Barbarije into Cibola and therefore pledges to limit its claims on Cibola in such a way as not to block the other Treaty Party's expansion.
3. Stormark shall found the city of Castellamare del Golfo on the western coast in a claim contiguous to the southern border of Jingdao & South Batavia, as depicted in the First Schedule to this Treaty.
4. Jingdao & South Batavia will allow Stormark to construct, maintain and freely use the Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio between the cities of Castellamare del Golfo and Cefalù across the territory of the Canton of Barbarije.


Signed for the Empire of Jingdao & South Batavia
____________

Signed for the High Realm of Stormark
____________



FIRST SCHEDULE
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Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:18 pm
by High King Harald
Stormark agrees to the draft Treaty.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:20 pm
by Erasmus
We will discuss it. :)

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:04 am
by Erasmus
No. And we don't wish to discuss this any further.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:22 am
by Benkern
I beg Jingdao - South Batavia to reconsider their stonewall stance. This is only a draft, and there is much room for negotiation if you would only come to the table. The High Realm has agreed to significant concessions in attempt to reach a peaceful settlement and a belligerent attitude to neighbours does not reflect well on any newly-independent state.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:26 am
by Erasmus
We cannot discuss this while he still claims he can annex North Batavia.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:53 am
by Lord_Montague
He isn't claiming to annex North Batavia...

Bloody hell....every turn's a bloody dead end.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:16 am
by Jonas Windsor
Lord_Montague wrote:He isn't claiming to annex North Batavia...

Bloody hell....every turn's a bloody dead end.
Monty, you really think that he will keep Batavia alive? Last time he did this too and he gave Batavia a nice place on the Stormarkian forum. He doesn't care about its existence or its culture, he cares about the new titles that he can add to his long list. :wink:

Perhaps we could consider this treaty 'on hold' till the situation is over. We don't want to see Pornmarkian workers being attacked by angry Barbarians, do we? :P

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:27 am
by Aster
Bloody hell....every turn's a bloody dead end.
To be frank, at this juncture, I really have to conclude that they (coughcoughormoreprobablythepeoplewhoputthemuptoitbecauseweallknowpreciselywhathasgoneonherereallydon'twecoughcough) probably want it that way

...If not, prove me wrong.

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:57 pm
by Malliki Tosha
Aster wrote:
Bloody hell....every turn's a bloody dead end.
To be frank, at this juncture, I really have to conclude that they (coughcoughormoreprobablythepeoplewhoputthemuptoitbecauseweallknowpreciselywhathasgoneonherereallydon'twecoughcough) probably want it that way

...If not, prove me wrong.
Why don't you prove your paranoid accusations for once, Aster?

Re: [Stormark] Canale di Tancredo d'Adraisio

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:56 pm
by Erasmus
Since the Lingelande situation seems to be solved we can now accept the proposal.