[Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
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[Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
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Name & Title: Harald van Ettlingar Freyu
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The Grand Duchy of Lingelande (North Batavia), a State of the Federal Kingdom of Batavia, has exercised its rights under Article 45 of the Constitution of the Federal Kingdom of Batavia and has declared independence from the Federal Kingdom of Batavia. Under the aforementioned Article 45 Lingelande has the right ensure its continued existance and determine its future.
This measure has been taken to escape the current chaos in the rapidly collapsing Federal Kingdom of Batavia and avoid being subjugated by Jindao.
Basicly I'm the only inhabitant of Lingelande because the other registered inhabitants have either left or have been required by the Constitution to take up residence in the Federal Capital Territory of the Regenteneilanden.
Name & Title: Harald van Ettlingar Freyu
Guardian of the Realm
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Nation: The State of Lingelande
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The Grand Duchy of Lingelande (North Batavia), a State of the Federal Kingdom of Batavia, has exercised its rights under Article 45 of the Constitution of the Federal Kingdom of Batavia and has declared independence from the Federal Kingdom of Batavia. Under the aforementioned Article 45 Lingelande has the right ensure its continued existance and determine its future.
This measure has been taken to escape the current chaos in the rapidly collapsing Federal Kingdom of Batavia and avoid being subjugated by Jindao.
Basicly I'm the only inhabitant of Lingelande because the other registered inhabitants have either left or have been required by the Constitution to take up residence in the Federal Capital Territory of the Regenteneilanden.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
I have to say, this is getting tedious. Can you not just sort this all out between you before throwing loads of claims at us please?
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
Craitman,Craitman wrote:I have to say, this is getting tedious. Can you not just sort this all out between you before throwing loads of claims at us please?
I very much understand you. I'm usually the last person who would do a claim for a secession. This very sadly has to do with the very toxic climate within Batavia and the attempts by South Batavian opportunists to use the chaos to get their hands on Lingelande and annex it into Jingdao. You should have seen them pounding their chests and gloating about the chaos they caused with their secession from the Federal Kingdom of Batavia.
There is nothing to sort out with anyone. I'm basicly the only person left in Lingelande and have therefore the autority to do this. I very much do not wish to be annexed into Jingdao so this is the only way to escape the madness.
I have got another map to amend to claim with. It leaves out the Regenteneilanden, which is Batavia's Federal Capital Territory and the place where the King of Batavia is required to reside by the Constitution of Batavia, and the only thing what will be left over of the Federal Kingdom of Batavia.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
Craitman, Harald does NOT represent Lingelande, it has two more citizens who were not consulted and among one (the King, Maximilaan) will likely oppose this. This is an enemy move by Stormark. The other person is Killiaen van Tassel or Orion. And Harald isn't even an active citizen of Batavia!
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
*Sigh*
Like Erasmus said: he never spoke to any of the remaining citizens, like Maximilian or Killiaen (of which only Max has ever been an active citizen who actually developed anything in the past). Harald never has done anything for Batavia (even during the chaos of the last days I even helped Gustaaf more to get the north back on the rails, till he left).
This is the second attempt of Hartald to steal and destroy the work of others and eventually annex it in Pornmark. But let me be clear: NOTHING I ever wrote or drew for Batavia will be allowed to be used if he gets his independence (but I hope they are a little bit smarter in the council ). That would leave an empty shell. And no, if it was anyone else, someone who had been active and knows the country (like several former citizens), I would not say that, but Harald would be the last guy who should rule Batavia.
Like Erasmus said: he never spoke to any of the remaining citizens, like Maximilian or Killiaen (of which only Max has ever been an active citizen who actually developed anything in the past). Harald never has done anything for Batavia (even during the chaos of the last days I even helped Gustaaf more to get the north back on the rails, till he left).
This is the second attempt of Hartald to steal and destroy the work of others and eventually annex it in Pornmark. But let me be clear: NOTHING I ever wrote or drew for Batavia will be allowed to be used if he gets his independence (but I hope they are a little bit smarter in the council ). That would leave an empty shell. And no, if it was anyone else, someone who had been active and knows the country (like several former citizens), I would not say that, but Harald would be the last guy who should rule Batavia.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
Killiaen is working on the eastern islands now, don't forget that.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
As Mordechai and Jonas have both said, this bid by Harald to control North Batavia is not supported by myself in my capacity as a Batavian citizen and owner of the Nova Batavia Company.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
So let me get this straight...
South Batavia causes a stink which pisses off everyone in Batavia (see Barbary Strait crisis....and I don't speak Dutch but I do have the capacity to translate their boards thnks to the Internet...and boy did we keep an eye on what was being said in Dutch)
South Batavia gets pissed off that everyone else in Batavia is pissed off with them for pissing off Stormark and Alexandria for the sake of it. Ergo South Batavia declares independence.
South Batavia's declaration of independence ruins Batavia as a whole to the point where it effectively runs 2 citizens out of town.
South Batavia/Jingdao realises that it's pretty much done this and, malevolently or not, says it will take over the rest of Batavia.
Harald sees and decides he's not having any part of that and does exactly what South Batavia did and declares independence.
South Batavia causes a stink which pisses off everyone in Batavia (see Barbary Strait crisis....and I don't speak Dutch but I do have the capacity to translate their boards thnks to the Internet...and boy did we keep an eye on what was being said in Dutch)
South Batavia gets pissed off that everyone else in Batavia is pissed off with them for pissing off Stormark and Alexandria for the sake of it. Ergo South Batavia declares independence.
South Batavia's declaration of independence ruins Batavia as a whole to the point where it effectively runs 2 citizens out of town.
South Batavia/Jingdao realises that it's pretty much done this and, malevolently or not, says it will take over the rest of Batavia.
Harald sees and decides he's not having any part of that and does exactly what South Batavia did and declares independence.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
You missed out, somewhere in the middle, the tiny state of Zeeburg declared independence also; not sure if that was withdrawn or not.
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And he missed that Harald is only active when he thinks he can claim the country and move it to Stormark.
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
Harald, can you solemnly swear that Lingelaande will not become part of Stormark?
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Indeed, I'd like to hear what he has to say. I've seen a lot of personal attacks but no evidence that North Batavia will be annexed to Stormark.Lord_Montague wrote:Harald, can you solemnly swear that Lingelaande will not become part of Stormark?
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That was what he tried the previous time.Kaiser Stan I wrote:Indeed, I'd like to hear what he has to say. I've seen a lot of personal attacks but no evidence that North Batavia will be annexed to Stormark.Lord_Montague wrote:Harald, can you solemnly swear that Lingelaande will not become part of Stormark?
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
He lied about being the only citizen. Do you expect to get one true word out of him?Lord_Montague wrote:Harald, can you solemnly swear that Lingelaande will not become part of Stormark?
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Re: [Lingelande] Declaration of Independence
Not really, you missed what was said behind the screens. That discussion about the Strait had nothing to do with it (even Gustaaf knew that it was all planned before that, because it went too smoothly). Independence was declared for cultural and political reasons (but not because of that debate you're referring to ).Lord_Montague wrote:So let me get this straight...
South Batavia causes a stink which pisses off everyone in Batavia (see Barbary Strait crisis....and I don't speak Dutch but I do have the capacity to translate their boards thnks to the Internet...and boy did we keep an eye on what was being said in Dutch)
South Batavia gets pissed off that everyone else in Batavia is pissed off with them for pissing off Stormark and Alexandria for the sake of it. Ergo South Batavia declares independence.
You can hardly blame us for that.South Batavia's declaration of independence ruins Batavia as a whole to the point where it effectively runs 2 citizens out of town.
I'm one of the oldest Batavians, the oldest still around. If you look to the wiki, you will see that I contributed the largest part to its cultural development. The southern independence also meant that the north should stand on its own feet again instead of relying on the south. That didn't work out very well, like we know now. That's why I immediately agreed to Gustaaf to help him in the background (with advice, potential stories, etc.). Sadly, he also quit because of the lack of interest (including Harald who didn't say anything until he got the chance to create a Pornmark-colony). And yes, we have decided to retake the rest of Batavia. That way we protect the country against people like Harald, until some real Batavians come back.South Batavia/Jingdao realises that it's pretty much done this and, malevolently or not, says it will take over the rest of Batavia.
No, not exactly. There are big differences: he hasn't asked the people of Lingelande (of which one has just declared to disagree with the move and another, the king, who seemed to prefer reunification under Jingdao, the last time I spoke him, which was yesterday). And what we shouldn't forget its that Harald has never developed Batavia and ignores every cultural aspect.Harald sees and decides he's not having any part of that and does exactly what South Batavia did and declares independence.
Like said before: he had a chance to help Gustaaf, but he waited and did nothing.
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