Charter modifications/rewrite
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Charter modifications/rewrite
A while ago we (Andreas and I mostly) wrote a new charter, then put it before pete for a decision or comments, pete basically let it rot saying he was writing a new charter, with craitman as the new AdminGen, we asked him about it and said if there were no comments in 48 hours we would ask in regulation discussion. that was 2 days ago so here we are, yay for user input and a mild level of democracy!
Here is what we wrote, this was several eons ago however and edits certainly need to be made.
Edits I have already suggested are below:
Changes needed:
1d)Is quetzal still around?
1e)1f)Junior cartographer system seems to have died, can has it back?
2b)Seems a tad dodgy to be honest, not quantifyable enough and way too many loopholes, see: shireroth claiming claimed land
3c)sounds a tad unofficial due to the terrible use of the word blatently in the modern generation
4a)always an issue
4c)Complaints all round
4d)Ehhh... it certainly needs "at our discretion" added...
5c)? maybe needs rewording so people don't think that means you can't submit 2 claims at once, but then that would fall under 5b...
6a)maybe the grandfather clause should advise they be removed?
6b)Clarify with "per nation"?
6d)ask permission of the council? maybe just something along the lines of, "use another colour but it is at the council's discretion to change it"
6g)needs rewording perhaps, the approved form sounds like your claim has to be accepted before you post it
6h)how about "may be rejected at council discretion"? rather than will be rejected
7a)needs total revamp
7b)quite probably unnecessary
8c)only applies when 8b was used to remove or reduce them
10c)this was recently controversy on MNeu or list of micronations, i forget which, maybe it should be removed or changed?
10e)"no being constantly offensive" doesn't sound nice enough "you are not allowed to be consistently offensive towards a person" or something like that sounds nicer
10f)"it will be at the council's discretion to remove signatures if they are too large/offensive" might sound nicer?
10g)Are they?
11a)Do we need to add such lists to the physical etc maps?
11b)"via the MCS forum" should be added.
anyone have any other ideas for things that need changes? or comments on what i have said needs changing, andreas posted some comments in admin discussion but i shall let him paste them over if he wishes to
onwards!
Here is what we wrote, this was several eons ago however and edits certainly need to be made.
1)Council:
1a)A Council Member may not vote on a claim or modification that changes a nation they are citizen of.
1b)A Council Member should base their vote upon whether the overall development of the nation in question merits the addition of the land being claimed. Activity, culture, military, economics, history and use of current land are the main features of development Council Members should base their claim on. Personal bias is not permitted.
1c)A claim is passed when a majority of the votes (of council members able to vote) support the claim. A tie results in a denied claim.
1d)Every icon requested to be added on the Quetzal Iconified map must receive the approval of two Council Members
1e)There shall be five full Council Members, with assigned roles, and a Junior Cartographer. The Junior Cartographer's vote shall only count when one of the other Council members is unable to vote on a claim (whether disallowed or on LOA).
1f)When a Council Member retires, the Junior Cartographer shall become a full Council Member, and the Council shall meet to decide the new Junior Cartographer. Once the Junior Cartographer is decided by the Council, their name shall be submitted to the organisation for a general vote of confidence.
1g)A Council Member or Junior Cartographer may be removed by a 75% vote of no confidence by all member states.
1h)The Administrator General is the leader of the Council and one of the full Council Members.
2)Land:
2a)Only land can be claimed on the MCS map. The only exception to this rule is where the claimant claims a small city on ice in reasonable proximity to their land, or can demonstrate the city is on an island too small to be showed on the map (that is, smaller than half a pixel).
2b)No nation may claim more land than Shireroth. Shireroth may not claim further unclaimed land.
3)Cities:
3a)All of a nation's cities must be on land they own.
3b)When a nation is removed, their cities will be left as ruins on the map until another nation claims the land. It is up to that nation whether they retain the ruins in their claim.
3c)City names may not contain blatantly offensive words such as swear words.
4)Nations:
4a)Istvanistan will always hold land on the MCS map (don't ask).
4b)The Apollo Foundation will not hold land on the map.
4c)No individual may rule multiple nations at once.
4d)The MCS will allot land to one-citizen micronations ONLY on the basis that they are starting out and will gain more citizens. This does not apply to micronations which have gone inactive.
5)Claims:
5a)The MCS is not obliged to uphold any claims made by any nations, regardless of any past affiliations with the MCS.
5b)Claims submitted less than a month apart may be denied merely on the basis of too many small claims too close to each other.
5c)Multiple claims for a single micronation will not be allowed, nor will half claims by colonies. This means a colony or autonomous entity of a larger micronation may not claim land on the map unless it's parent constituent is already on the map. This also works in reverse, so that is the parent country ends it's membership, the colony is removed as well (unless circumstances dictate otherwise, such as if it were to become independent).
5d)Broadly spread-out land claims stretching across the map are subject to re-assessment and possible relocation at the discretion of the MCS. These claims may be subject to rearrangement for geographical realism and for cartographical purposes in maintaining consolidated and streamlined claims.
5e)New nations may request a Council Member to organise their initial claim for them and/or make a claim map for them, as long as they clearly indicate where they would like the land to be placed, and provide several city names.
6)Claim Etiquette:
6a)Only use approved symbols displayed on the key. (Grandfather clause - those symbols already on the map that aren't in the key can stay, but no more).
6b)You may only have 1 Capital City.
6c)All text should be in Times New Roman, size 8 in MS-Paint and unblurred, other graphics editors may vary, check the size against current text.
6d)Symbols and city names should be red (rgb(255,000,000)/#FF0000). Where this colour is unreadable on your nation, you may use yellow (rgb(255,255,000)/#FFFF00). Exceptions may be made where both are unreadable, but you must ask permission of the Council first to use any colour other than red or yellow.
6e)Regional names and regional borders should be in black (rgb(000,000,000)/#000000). Ideally, regional borders should be like normal borders, but every second pixel removed.
6f)All borders may only be 1 pixel thick at all points. Where your borders are two pixels thick (corners etc) at any point, the Council reserves the right to thin your borders our when adding your claim to the Claimsmap.
6g)The first post in all claims thread needs to include the approved Claims/Modification form.
6h)All claims (except for new nations claims which have requested a Council Member to do so) should come with an image, of a standard ready to be put on the map, of how your would like your land to look. Claims that are not up to claimsmap standard will be rejected.
7)Membership Qualifications:
7a)A new nation should have established an active online presence for at least three months (90 days) before seeking admittance to the MCS. A nation established and populated by experienced micronationalists may lower this period to two months (60 days). Exceptions to this may be granted where the nation can show sufficient evidence that a high degree of development has already occurred within a shorter period of time.
7b)The MCS is for forum-based nations. Nations intending to violently secede from real world nations are not allowed.
Removal:
8a)If a nation spends 3 consecutive months with an average of less than 1 post per day each month the Council is at liberty to force a reduction on them. If they continue this for a fourth month, or refuse a reduction, the Council is at liberty to remove them.
8b)If a nation spends 3 consecutive months with 0 posts per day each month the Council is at liberty to remove them.
8c)The land from a removed or reduced micronation will have it's land declared unclaimable for a period of one (1) month. During that time, if the removed nation reconstitutes itself, it may reclaim the lost land. After that time, the nation can be claimed by any new nation seeking admittance to the MCS.
9)Other Maps:
9a)The MCS produces various maps beyond the claimsmap to aid in the common geophysical simulation of members. Where these maps do not include nations (eg Physical, Resource, Ocean) the physical layout of the maps cannot be changed. The only exception is for changes necessary to maintain the integrity and usefulness of the map, and where there is a 75% majority of council members agreeing with the change.
10)Forum Guidelines:
10a)No annexing stupidly, YAC (Yardistani Annexation Corporation) is for Shireroth, not here.
10b)Try to maintain good spelling.
10c)English only or translations.
10d)Try not to double post within 3 days of the last post.
10e)No being constantly offensive. A civil argument where both parties are happy to argue is allowed, but when one party is unwillingly being repeatedly offended by other parties, it is not allowed.
10f)No ridiculously large and irritating signatures/avatars.
10g)1000th post, 10,000th post, 100,000th post etc are significant milestones 53433rd post and 1337th post are not.
11)Amendment:
11a)Reproductions of the MCS maps are allowed but it is requested that you keep a list of all cartographers involved in the creation of that map. These should be provided on the maps on MCS site.
11b)The MCS reserves the right to expand, reduce or amend these policies as it sees fit. If any such changes are made, all parties using MCS services will be notified.
Edits I have already suggested are below:
Changes needed:
1d)Is quetzal still around?
1e)1f)Junior cartographer system seems to have died, can has it back?
2b)Seems a tad dodgy to be honest, not quantifyable enough and way too many loopholes, see: shireroth claiming claimed land
3c)sounds a tad unofficial due to the terrible use of the word blatently in the modern generation
4a)always an issue
4c)Complaints all round
4d)Ehhh... it certainly needs "at our discretion" added...
5c)? maybe needs rewording so people don't think that means you can't submit 2 claims at once, but then that would fall under 5b...
6a)maybe the grandfather clause should advise they be removed?
6b)Clarify with "per nation"?
6d)ask permission of the council? maybe just something along the lines of, "use another colour but it is at the council's discretion to change it"
6g)needs rewording perhaps, the approved form sounds like your claim has to be accepted before you post it
6h)how about "may be rejected at council discretion"? rather than will be rejected
7a)needs total revamp
7b)quite probably unnecessary
8c)only applies when 8b was used to remove or reduce them
10c)this was recently controversy on MNeu or list of micronations, i forget which, maybe it should be removed or changed?
10e)"no being constantly offensive" doesn't sound nice enough "you are not allowed to be consistently offensive towards a person" or something like that sounds nicer
10f)"it will be at the council's discretion to remove signatures if they are too large/offensive" might sound nicer?
10g)Are they?
11a)Do we need to add such lists to the physical etc maps?
11b)"via the MCS forum" should be added.
anyone have any other ideas for things that need changes? or comments on what i have said needs changing, andreas posted some comments in admin discussion but i shall let him paste them over if he wishes to
onwards!
Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
I was going to mention 2b. It goes without saying really. Nobody's going to let Shireroth claim anymore, and nobody's going to get any more than them any time soon, so the clause is largely redundant.
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
Babs, this is the unwritten rules written up. So if Shireroth isn't allowed any more land, then its in the rules. If they are allowed more land, then it's not in the rules, even if the Council generally don't grant their claims it allows the possibility they could in the future.
Anyway, general comments:
Anyway, general comments:
Changes needed:
1d)Is quetzal still around? - It would appear not.
1e)1f)Junior cartographer system seems to have died, can has it back? - Leaves to Craitman to decide
2b)Seems a tad dodgy to be honest, not quantifyable enough and way too many loopholes, see: shireroth claiming claimed land - No comment
3c)sounds a tad unofficial due to the terrible use of the word blatently in the modern generation - Remove 'blatently' then.
4a)always an issue - I think, from what Ryan and others said, you could remove them if you wanted.
4c)Complaints all round - No comment
4d)Ehhh... it certainly needs "at our discretion" added... - yes, add that.
5c)? maybe needs rewording so people don't think that means you can't submit 2 claims at once, but then that would fall under 5b... - That was inherited from the old charter, if you don't like it, you can remove it.
6a)maybe the grandfather clause should advise they be removed? - Are there any non-standard ones left anymore? If not, remove the Grandfather clause entirely
6b)Clarify with "per nation"? - might as well
6d)ask permission of the council? maybe just something along the lines of, "use another colour but it is at the council's discretion to change it" - works.
6g)needs rewording perhaps, the approved form sounds like your claim has to be accepted before you post it - meh
6h)how about "may be rejected at council discretion"? rather than will be rejected - well, that's up to your discretion
7a)needs total revamp
7b)quite probably unnecessary
8c)only applies when 8b was used to remove or reduce them - well, clarify that then.
10c)this was recently controversy on MNeu or list of micronations, i forget which, maybe it should be removed or changed? - English is good, we are the Anglophone sector ...
10e)"no being constantly offensive" doesn't sound nice enough "you are not allowed to be consistently offensive towards a person" or something like that sounds nicer - Enforcing it is more important than how you word it.
10f)"it will be at the council's discretion to remove signatures if they are too large/offensive" might sound nicer? - could be put that way, I guess
10g)Are they? - Apparently (this was from something Pete posted, as I recall)
11a)Do we need to add such lists to the physical etc maps? - No idea
11b)"via the MCS forum" should be added. - good addition
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If we wrote up all the unwritten rules, then there'd be an entire book. That's just pointless buraeucracy.
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
Babs, if you can't see why rules that are unwritten (and therefore some people know, and others don't, and still others think they know but know a different version from the people who know etc) should be written up, I suggest you talk to Ari. Mention the Straylight claim. He can explain it far better than I. But believe us, its not pointless bureaucracy. If anything, it avoids unnecessary bureaucracy.
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
It doesn't bother me, I haven't gotta write the thing. However the longer it is, the less likely people who oughta read it, will.
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The major advantage of having it written isn't so that we can force everyone to read it, but if someone breaks a rule we can say "yeah, it says right here" and quote it, rather than saying "well, you know that's against the unwritten rules or not which have been there a while i think but bleh"
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
The MCS has, for a long time, been willing to "trade" lands; ie a country gives up 1000 pixels on its eastern border and is allowed to claim 1000 more pixels on its western border in exchange. I'd like a clarification of the Shireroth clause to state that Shireroth can still do this, even if it involves "claiming unclaimed land"; the current wording doesn't seem to permit it.
As for Quetzal, I've still got it, but no one seems interested and I'm not doing updates. I still think we should replace the physical map with Quetzal physical, but no one else agrees with me. I suggest leaving it out of the charter and keeping it in unwritten rules, on the grounds that it's unlikely to ever come up.
As for Quetzal, I've still got it, but no one seems interested and I'm not doing updates. I still think we should replace the physical map with Quetzal physical, but no one else agrees with me. I suggest leaving it out of the charter and keeping it in unwritten rules, on the grounds that it's unlikely to ever come up.
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
ok, from the comments in this and other thread I recommend this newer version:
and added the new 3 month rule thing.
Is this all fine?
No comments in 7 days and I will attempt to put this to the council to vote
I have fixed according to comments in this thread and those in the code of conduct thread1)Council:
1a)A Council Member may not vote on a claim or modification that changes a nation they are citizen of.
1b)A Council Member should base their vote upon whether the overall development of the nation in question merits the addition of the land being claimed. Activity, culture, military, economics, history and use of current land are the main features of development Council Members should base their claim on. Personal bias is not permitted.
1c)A claim is passed when a majority of the votes (of council members able to vote) support the claim. A tie results in a denied claim.
1d)There shall be five full Council Members, with assigned roles, and a Junior Council member. The Junior Council member's vote shall only count when one of the other Council members is unable to vote on a claim (whether disallowed or on LOA).
1e)When a Council Member retires, the Junior Council member shall become a full Council Member, and the Council shall meet to decide the new Junior Council member. Once the Junior Council member is decided by the Council, their name shall be submitted to the organisation for a general vote of confidence.
1f)A Council Member or Junior Council member may be removed by a 75% vote of no confidence by all member states.
1g)The Administrator General is the leader of the Council and one of the full Council Members.
2)Land:
2a)Only land can be claimed on the MCS map. The only exception to this rule is where the claimant claims a small city on ice in reasonable proximity to their land, or can demonstrate the city is on an island too small to be showed on the map (that is, smaller than half a pixel).
3)Cities:
3a)All of a nation's cities must be on land they own.
3b)When a nation is removed, their cities will be left as ruins on the map until another nation claims the land. It is up to that nation whether they retain the ruins in their claim.
3c)City names may not contain offensive words such as swear words.
4)Nations:
4b)The Apollo Foundation will not hold land on the map.
4c)Individuals ruling multiple nations, or nations ran by individuals who already rule nations on the map may be subject to scrutiny when applying for claims.
4d)The MCS will allot land to one-citizen micronations ONLY on the basis that they are starting out and will gain more citizens. This does not apply to micronations which have gone inactive. This is to be applied at the council's discretion.
5)Claims:
5a)The MCS is not obliged to uphold any claims made by any nations, regardless of any past affiliations with the MCS.
5b)Claims submitted less than a month apart may be denied merely on the basis of too many small claims too close to each other.
5c)Broadly spread-out land claims stretching across the map are subject to re-assessment and possible relocation at the discretion of the MCS. These claims may be subject to rearrangement for geographical realism and for cartographical purposes in maintaining consolidated and streamlined claims.
5d)New nations may request a Council Member to organise their initial claim for them and/or make a claim map for them, as long as they clearly indicate where they would like the land to be placed, and provide several city names.
6)Claim Etiquette:
6a)Only use approved symbols displayed on the key.
6b)You may only have 1 Capital City per nation.
6c)All text should be in Times New Roman, size 8 in MS-Paint and unblurred, other graphics editors may vary, check the size against current text.
6d)Symbols and city names should be red (rgb(255,000,000)/#FF0000). Where this colour is unreadable on your nation, you may use yellow (rgb(255,255,000)/#FFFF00). Exceptions may be made where both are unreadable, in which case you may use another colour but it is at the council's discretion to change it.
6e)Regional names and regional borders should be in black (rgb(000,000,000)/#000000). Ideally, regional borders should be like normal borders, but every second pixel removed.
6f)All borders may only be 1 pixel thick at all points. Where your borders are two pixels thick (corners etc) at any point, the Council reserves the right to thin your borders our when adding your claim to the Claimsmap.
6g)The first post in all claims thread needs to include the announced Claims/Modification form.
6h)All claims (except for new nations claims which have requested a Council Member to do so) should come with an image, of a standard ready to be put on the map, of how your would like your land to look. Claims that are not up to claimsmap standard may be rejected at council discretion.
7)Membership Qualifications:
7a)A new nation should have established an active online presence for at least three months (90 days) before seeking admittance to the MCS. A nation established and populated by experienced micronationalists may lower this period to two months (60 days).
7b)Exceptions to 7a may be granted where the nation can show sufficient evidence that a high degree of development has already occurred within a shorter period of time.
7c)Exceptions to 7a will also be granted if the nation has got a treaty of recognition from 50% of the nations on the MCS claimsmap at the time of the new nation posting their claim.
Removal:
8a)If a nation spends 3 consecutive months with an average of less than 1 post per day each month the Council is at liberty to force a reduction on them. If they continue this for a fourth month, or refuse a reduction, the Council is at liberty to remove them.
8b)If a nation spends 3 consecutive months with 0 posts per day each month the Council is at liberty to remove them.
8c)The land from a micronation that has been removed or reduced by rule 8b will have it's land declared unclaimable for a period of one (1) month. During that time, if the removed nation reconstitutes itself, it may reclaim the lost land. After that time, the nation can be claimed by any new nation seeking admittance to the MCS.
9)Other Maps:
9a)The MCS produces various maps beyond the claimsmap to aid in the common geophysical simulation of members. Where these maps do not include nations (eg Physical, Resource, Ocean) the physical layout of the maps cannot be changed. The only exception is for changes necessary to maintain the integrity and usefulness of the map, and where there is a 75% majority of council members agreeing with the change.
10)Forum Guidelines:
10a)Discrimination againt other members based on such matters as race, gender, age, sexual preferences or religion will not be tolerated.
10b)No annexing stupidly, YAC (Yardistani Annexation Corporation) is for Shireroth, not here.
10c)Try to maintain good spelling.
10d)Please do not post in all caps or with caps lock activated for the duration of the post.
10e)English only or translations.
10f)Try not to double post within 3 days of the last post.
10g)You are not allowed to be consistently offensive towards a person. A civil argument where both parties are happy to argue is allowed, but when one party is unwillingly being repeatedly offended by other parties, it is not allowed.
10h)Posting offensive or distressing images will not be tolerated.
10i)It will be at the staff member's discretion to remove signatures if they are too large/offensive.
10j)1000th post, 10,000th post, 100,000th post etc are significant milestones 53433rd post and 1337th post are not.
11)Amendment:
11a)Reproductions of the MCS maps are allowed but it is requested that you keep a list of all cartographers involved in the creation of that map. These should be provided on the maps on MCS site.
11b)The MCS reserves the right to expand, reduce or amend these policies as it sees fit. If any such changes are made, all parties using MCS services will be notified via the MCS forum.
and added the new 3 month rule thing.
Is this all fine?
No comments in 7 days and I will attempt to put this to the council to vote
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
Reading through it again:
8c should read "removed or reduced by rule 8b or 8a" not just 8b.
In the Council Section (which considering current discussions may need to be rewritten anyway), the only way to remove a Council Member is by a vote by the general populous. This means that the right of the AG (as exercised previously) to remove a council member is no longer valid?
I know we included Forum Guidelines originally in the Unwritten Rules because there was a post by Pete about them. I'm not sure they need to be in the Charter, however. It would seem better that the charter just included something like:
10)Forum Guidelines:
10a) The Council reserves the right to provide guidelines for appropriate forum etiquette. All individuals are expected to adhere to these guidelines.
10b) If individuals are found to be breaking these guidelines, the Council reserves the right to impose penalties, based on the severity and number of offences (including but not limited to warnings; thread locking; and temporary banning).
10c) No individual will be permanently banned from the MCS forums.
The actual guidelines would then be in a separate topic and can be changed by Council/Community input whenever needed.
Considering that the MCS has now become 'the' community forum, and houses a number of external organisations, should something be in the charter about them? If not, something should be written up about them anyway (eg ways to claim, whether the council has the right to remove the subforums without warning etc ...)
Finally, just a question of interpretation - reading 1f and 1g together, does that mean (in the event of some future tyrannical AG, obviously not for Craitman) the AG can be removed by a 75% vote of no confidence by all member states?
8c should read "removed or reduced by rule 8b or 8a" not just 8b.
In the Council Section (which considering current discussions may need to be rewritten anyway), the only way to remove a Council Member is by a vote by the general populous. This means that the right of the AG (as exercised previously) to remove a council member is no longer valid?
I know we included Forum Guidelines originally in the Unwritten Rules because there was a post by Pete about them. I'm not sure they need to be in the Charter, however. It would seem better that the charter just included something like:
10)Forum Guidelines:
10a) The Council reserves the right to provide guidelines for appropriate forum etiquette. All individuals are expected to adhere to these guidelines.
10b) If individuals are found to be breaking these guidelines, the Council reserves the right to impose penalties, based on the severity and number of offences (including but not limited to warnings; thread locking; and temporary banning).
10c) No individual will be permanently banned from the MCS forums.
The actual guidelines would then be in a separate topic and can be changed by Council/Community input whenever needed.
Considering that the MCS has now become 'the' community forum, and houses a number of external organisations, should something be in the charter about them? If not, something should be written up about them anyway (eg ways to claim, whether the council has the right to remove the subforums without warning etc ...)
Finally, just a question of interpretation - reading 1f and 1g together, does that mean (in the event of some future tyrannical AG, obviously not for Craitman) the AG can be removed by a 75% vote of no confidence by all member states?
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
The current charter does have this:Andreas the Wise wrote:Considering that the MCS has now become 'the' community forum, and houses a number of external organisations, should something be in the charter about them?
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4. Independent organizations may approach the MCS for a forum on the MCS's main discussion board. However, the MCS will never solicit organizations to be hosted
Has that been removed for this rewrite?
- Guido Zambelis
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Re: Charter modifications/rewrite
Because they're desperate and will take anyone. Oh and Spangle has some touchingly naive notion that everyone is capable of earning redemption.