Proposal: Miles per Pixel
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Proposal: Miles per Pixel
I don't see anything in the charter about changing the actual foundations of the map, so I'll open this to the council and others to see what is thought:
I propose that we make the miles per pixel 7 instead of 6.917.
I do understand the original intention for that number. The purpose was to make the equator as long as the equator of earth with minimal discrepancy. I do not want to degrade or besmirch a noble and well thought out concept. In creating a reasonable world map re-creation, taking into account human beings are terrestrial, it makes more sense to make Micras the same size as earth, so that we have the same perspective on what we're drawing, than to make it any other size.
I throw into relief that, unless I have missed something dire, Micras is half as tall as Earth. For Micras to accurately display the dimensions of Earth it would have to be approximately 3594 pixels tall. Perhaps there's something in the deviation on the key that I'm missing, but when one of the cartographers himself doesn't understand what they mean, perhaps some information isn't transparent enough to be useful.
Since Micras is wildly different than Earth in height and, seeing as the increase in equator would be negligible in comparison to the current difference in heights, I propose that a distance of 7 miles per pixel be adopted for ease of math. It would make recwar easier, and it would make drawing up city maps etc. especially in a pix-elated format and grid paper.
Does this need to go to vote?
Does anyone have any objection?
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E-mails or Forum posts will be issued to all nations with land on micras to see if they have zoomed in, scaled maps that would be affected by the distance change. They will be updated in this post as I receive responses.
Empire of Alexandrians - Post made on forum
Amokolia [Victorian Empire] - No conflict
Antican Republic - No conflict
Republic of Ashkenatza - No conflict
Kingdom of Barrington - No conflict
Kingdom of Batavia - No conflict
Grand Principality of Beaugium - E-mail sent
Democratic Republic of Bobalania - No conflcit
Kingdom of Carlswald - E-mail sent
Kingdom of Craitland - No conflict
Kingdom of Dura - Posted on forum
Kingdom of Enthdover - Forum registration pending
Democratic Republic of Flanders (Virtuele Republiek Vlaanderen) - No conflict
Gralan Empire - No conflict
Kingdom of Hamland - No conflict
Hurmu - Posted on forum
Imperial Empire - No conflcit
Imperium Incognita - No conflict
Republic of Interland - PM sent
Republic of Istvanistan - E-mail sent
Kingdom of Livlandia - Posted on forum
Kingdom of Lovely - Post made on forum
Bovic Empire of Natopia - No conflict
Nelaga Territories - No conflict
Republic of the Netherlands - Forum registration pending
Kingdom of Nova England - Post made on forum
Ocian Federation - No conflict
Kingdom of Orontea - Post made on forum - discussion progressing slowly due to language barrier
United Soviet States of Patrova - Post made on forum
Holy Empire of Reunion - Email sent
Democratic Republic of Sarasovia - Post made on forum
Imperial Republic of Shireroth - No conflict
Viking Empire of Stormark - Email sent
Technocracy of Universalis - No conflict
Valencia [Victorian Empire] - No conflict
Kingdom of Verac - Forum registration pending
Spangle - Conflict
I propose that we make the miles per pixel 7 instead of 6.917.
I do understand the original intention for that number. The purpose was to make the equator as long as the equator of earth with minimal discrepancy. I do not want to degrade or besmirch a noble and well thought out concept. In creating a reasonable world map re-creation, taking into account human beings are terrestrial, it makes more sense to make Micras the same size as earth, so that we have the same perspective on what we're drawing, than to make it any other size.
I throw into relief that, unless I have missed something dire, Micras is half as tall as Earth. For Micras to accurately display the dimensions of Earth it would have to be approximately 3594 pixels tall. Perhaps there's something in the deviation on the key that I'm missing, but when one of the cartographers himself doesn't understand what they mean, perhaps some information isn't transparent enough to be useful.
Since Micras is wildly different than Earth in height and, seeing as the increase in equator would be negligible in comparison to the current difference in heights, I propose that a distance of 7 miles per pixel be adopted for ease of math. It would make recwar easier, and it would make drawing up city maps etc. especially in a pix-elated format and grid paper.
Does this need to go to vote?
Does anyone have any objection?
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E-mails or Forum posts will be issued to all nations with land on micras to see if they have zoomed in, scaled maps that would be affected by the distance change. They will be updated in this post as I receive responses.
Empire of Alexandrians - Post made on forum
Amokolia [Victorian Empire] - No conflict
Antican Republic - No conflict
Republic of Ashkenatza - No conflict
Kingdom of Barrington - No conflict
Kingdom of Batavia - No conflict
Grand Principality of Beaugium - E-mail sent
Democratic Republic of Bobalania - No conflcit
Kingdom of Carlswald - E-mail sent
Kingdom of Craitland - No conflict
Kingdom of Dura - Posted on forum
Kingdom of Enthdover - Forum registration pending
Democratic Republic of Flanders (Virtuele Republiek Vlaanderen) - No conflict
Gralan Empire - No conflict
Kingdom of Hamland - No conflict
Hurmu - Posted on forum
Imperial Empire - No conflcit
Imperium Incognita - No conflict
Republic of Interland - PM sent
Republic of Istvanistan - E-mail sent
Kingdom of Livlandia - Posted on forum
Kingdom of Lovely - Post made on forum
Bovic Empire of Natopia - No conflict
Nelaga Territories - No conflict
Republic of the Netherlands - Forum registration pending
Kingdom of Nova England - Post made on forum
Ocian Federation - No conflict
Kingdom of Orontea - Post made on forum - discussion progressing slowly due to language barrier
United Soviet States of Patrova - Post made on forum
Holy Empire of Reunion - Email sent
Democratic Republic of Sarasovia - Post made on forum
Imperial Republic of Shireroth - No conflict
Viking Empire of Stormark - Email sent
Technocracy of Universalis - No conflict
Valencia [Victorian Empire] - No conflict
Kingdom of Verac - Forum registration pending
Spangle - Conflict
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Obviously we will need to consult every member nation to see if their regional maps conform to this. I would hate it if someone has made a really good, zoomed in, scaled map and then this were to change and their hard work would be undone.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
I'll send the e-mails myself.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Both Amokolia and Valencia currently do not have any such maps within the Empire. There are plans to create them but we shall hold off until such time as a decision has been made on the matter.
Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Thank you.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
No objections on behalf of Universalis.
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As far as I know, this will not give any troubles for Batavia.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
As I've said on our forum, as King of Craitland, I have no objection to this.
And as Administrator General and Cartographer of the MCS, as long as there is no conflict with this change, I will have no objection whatsoever
And as Administrator General and Cartographer of the MCS, as long as there is no conflict with this change, I will have no objection whatsoever
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Ari, Micras is a sphere, you are indeed missing something important when you say it's half as tall as wide...
the equator of the map extends all the way around the globe, then the top and bottom of the map are the north and south poles
look at a real world map, it's rectangular...
the map goes from -180 to +180 degrees across the map, making 360 degrees around the entire map
The map goes from +90 to -90 vertically on the map, but, notice it wraps all the way around, so that then goes over and onto the other side, hence 360 degrees.
This is actually changing the physical map and hence is against the charter, but an admendment can still change it theoretically
however
the distance calculator, the celestia map of the entire ATOs system, tarsica's details, every satellite i've simulated, the satellite tracker, ALL of that is wrong if you change the map from it's current size (which is on MCSWiki) it';s current size works out a degree at about 12km wide anyway
this distance is wrong if used horizontally anywhere other than the equator though anyway, you must then use a distance calculator.
the equator of the map extends all the way around the globe, then the top and bottom of the map are the north and south poles
look at a real world map, it's rectangular...
the map goes from -180 to +180 degrees across the map, making 360 degrees around the entire map
The map goes from +90 to -90 vertically on the map, but, notice it wraps all the way around, so that then goes over and onto the other side, hence 360 degrees.
This is actually changing the physical map and hence is against the charter, but an admendment can still change it theoretically
however
the distance calculator, the celestia map of the entire ATOs system, tarsica's details, every satellite i've simulated, the satellite tracker, ALL of that is wrong if you change the map from it's current size (which is on MCSWiki) it';s current size works out a degree at about 12km wide anyway
this distance is wrong if used horizontally anywhere other than the equator though anyway, you must then use a distance calculator.
Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
You admitted yourself that the key is wrong, so anyone who makes their own system of anything using the key has a project that's values differ wildly from your own. And since few people know the correct value, since it's posted incorrectly on the map, it could almost be reasoned that your numbers are incorrect by precedent.
And if the key is wrong, that means at one time it was right, which means the physical values of the map have been changed before. To update the map we either go from one decimal to your decimal, which makes someone else's project incorrect, stay at the current decimal which means, technically, your projects are currently incorrect, or change it to an uncomplicated number, make everything anyone has done with scale incorrect, but easier for everyone else in the future.
And if the key is wrong, that means at one time it was right, which means the physical values of the map have been changed before. To update the map we either go from one decimal to your decimal, which makes someone else's project incorrect, stay at the current decimal which means, technically, your projects are currently incorrect, or change it to an uncomplicated number, make everything anyone has done with scale incorrect, but easier for everyone else in the future.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
But what do we use this figure for? It's only correct on equator (west-east distances) and along meridians (N-S distances). It has no apparent purpose, except for the length of the equator, which could be included in the key, along with an information that near the equator one pixel is approximately 12 km wide.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Gralus has no objections, and on a personal note, I'd prefer metric than miles.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Would you also like us to castrate ourselves?
Just thought I'd ask.
Just thought I'd ask.
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Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
I wouldn't be against you doing that, Jess...
Re: Proposal: Miles per Pixel
Changing to metric is all well and good, but I'm still unclear on the difference between the values. There's the map's definition, and there's the Spangle definition.
Honestly I would stand by the values on the map being the ones that should be followed, not the ones the Wiki say. You cannot use a wiki as a source for a paper for academia, because it's accuracy is inherently flawed. Anyone can put anything they want in the Wiki, especially what they want things to be, even if they are not.
Before I proceed and start a huge argument, I'd like to hear from one of the cartographers as to what the current actual value of a pixel is. Is it what's posted on the map, or is it something else as Spangle has mentioned?
Honestly I would stand by the values on the map being the ones that should be followed, not the ones the Wiki say. You cannot use a wiki as a source for a paper for academia, because it's accuracy is inherently flawed. Anyone can put anything they want in the Wiki, especially what they want things to be, even if they are not.
Before I proceed and start a huge argument, I'd like to hear from one of the cartographers as to what the current actual value of a pixel is. Is it what's posted on the map, or is it something else as Spangle has mentioned?
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