Size of lands
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The oversized claims look like this compared to certain Earth countries and features:
Earth: 148,940,000 sqkm
Shireroth: 25,819,056 sqkm
Russia: 16,377,742 sqkm
Antarctica: 14,000,000 sqkm
Canada: 9,093,507 sqkm
Elwynn: 8,571,168 sqkm
Libya: 1,759,540 sqkm
Craitland: 1,704,240 sqkm
Ocia: 798,336 sqkm
Mozambique: 786,380 sqkm
It should be self-evident that this is pretty strange. Claims should be vastly reduced in my opinion.
Earth: 148,940,000 sqkm
Shireroth: 25,819,056 sqkm
Russia: 16,377,742 sqkm
Antarctica: 14,000,000 sqkm
Canada: 9,093,507 sqkm
Elwynn: 8,571,168 sqkm
Libya: 1,759,540 sqkm
Craitland: 1,704,240 sqkm
Ocia: 798,336 sqkm
Mozambique: 786,380 sqkm
It should be self-evident that this is pretty strange. Claims should be vastly reduced in my opinion.
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I can't remember exactly what the figure was, but when I calculated Senya's claim, it came out around halfway between the area of Paraguay & the area of Zimbabwe
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Re: Size of lands
It's not that strange when you consider there are about 4x more countries on Earth than there are on Micras.Malliki wrote:The oversized claims look like this compared to certain Earth countries and features:
Earth: 148,940,000 sqkm
Shireroth: 25,819,056 sqkm
Russia: 16,377,742 sqkm
Antarctica: 14,000,000 sqkm
Canada: 9,093,507 sqkm
Elwynn: 8,571,168 sqkm
Libya: 1,759,540 sqkm
Craitland: 1,704,240 sqkm
Ocia: 798,336 sqkm
Mozambique: 786,380 sqkm
It should be self-evident that this is pretty strange. Claims should be vastly reduced in my opinion.
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It's not strange if you used 1 pixel = 144 sq km ratio. Micras is 6 times larger than Earth if you did so. Actually it's only 1.16 times bigger, so probably comparing Craitland to Libya isn't very reliable.
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That is on the map right?pawelabrams wrote:It's not strange if you used 1 pixel = 144 sq km ratio. Micras is 6 times larger than Earth if you did so. Actually it's only 1.16 times bigger, so probably comparing Craitland to Libya isn't very reliable.
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But the world is round. Don't forget that... The sq km things only works at the equator...
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Yes it is round, like a tube.Elijah Ayreon wrote:But the world is round. Don't forget that... The sq km things only works at the equator...
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A subject of some discussion, this suggestion. I've been loathe to incorporate the polar projections into my geography of Mar Sara because it would make the island into a little sliver. The flat map we are presented with, as well as providing landmasses that are easier to see, also makes them more aesthetically pleasing. So my area calculations of Mar Sara take the pixel square mileage as simply universal for the sake of ease. We can imagine massive oceans at the corners of the map to compensate...Elijah Ayreon wrote:But the world is round. Don't forget that... The sq km things only works at the equator...
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I suppose it's not written anywhere specifically, but isn't the Micras map a Gall-Peters projection? The only time we'd have to adjust the actual size and shape of the landmasses is if anyone bothered to try and make a Micras globe. As an area accurate Peter's map everything is reletive and no one has to make 'polar projections' and every square is the same as at the equator. Since we're not actually cartographing an actual land mass, nor are we navigating it on the ground, there's no reason it should be a Mercator map except that Mercator is what everyone's used to.Elijah Ayreon wrote:But the world is round. Don't forget that... The sq km things only works at the equator...
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Well, I don't disagree that this is fictional so we have a little leeway in how we work it all out. However, it should be a vaguely believable and realistic geographic simulation, because it adds to our simulation. The shape of the planet is important for those who want to have space programs (hence the Atos system, and Tarsica, have been given a barebones sketch).Rook wrote:The only time we'd have to adjust the actual size and shape of the landmasses is if anyone bothered to try and make a Micras globe. As an area accurate Peter's map everything is reletive and no one has to make 'polar projections' and every square is the same as at the equator. Since we're not actually cartographing an actual land mass, nor are we navigating it on the ground, there's no reason it should be a Mercator map except that Mercator is what everyone's used to.
As to poles/globe:
North pole
South pole
Poles, Poles with extra Arctic/Antarctic
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It doesn't make a difference to equatorial nations, but Mar Sara, Leng and Sypyr are only a few of the landmasses who would like to avoid the polar fates visible in the above links.
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And for us countries near the poles, it would definitely help us to know the relationship between say Leng and northern Keltia for example. Mapping the poles is important for our geographic culture.
There is in the community a precedent of Bill's pole maps, that is, that projection.
I would suggest however that we don't bother with distances in km, but rather we determine the map in degrees, minutes and seconds. "Eliria is X degrees east of Cherry Trees". That way we could also make time-zones and calculate climate and sun hours for the planet, if we wanted that.
There is in the community a precedent of Bill's pole maps, that is, that projection.
I would suggest however that we don't bother with distances in km, but rather we determine the map in degrees, minutes and seconds. "Eliria is X degrees east of Cherry Trees". That way we could also make time-zones and calculate climate and sun hours for the planet, if we wanted that.
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...which you wouldn't have to if you declared it a Peter's Projection. Then, not only would the area be equal, but then the map would be an accurate picture of the nation's relative size. Judging it as a Mercator map means that everything is out of sync. There's no reason for that since we are putting the map on the globe instead of the other way around.
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I will have to read more about Peter's projection, I find! Interesting, nonetheless
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For those who don't want to read, to sum up, a Peter's Projection map is an equal area map that shows all landmasses on the globe in perfect proportion. The map you're used to seeing of the globe is a Mercator map, which increasingly inflates the sizes of regions according to their distance from the equator. This inflation results, for example, in a representation of Greenland that is larger than Africa, whereas in reality Africa is 14 times as large.
Instead of skewing area, the Peter's Projection skews angles which is a problem in navigation over long distances...but since no one really needs the mathematics of navigation to get about it's less of a problem than skewed area.
Instead of skewing area, the Peter's Projection skews angles which is a problem in navigation over long distances...but since no one really needs the mathematics of navigation to get about it's less of a problem than skewed area.
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Sounds perfect, except it's surely definitely causing a variation in SOME pixel sizes? I mean, Micras, like Earth, is a sphere or geoid-type shape. So where are these pixels being shortened? At the poles? And are they just the sea pixels? This sounds a bit similar to the old, unenlightened theory that because this is a fictional map, it doesn't have to be realistic. What about naval warfare?
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