An Open Letter to the MCS
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That link doesn't open for me.pawelabrams wrote:Would something like this be m'kay?
Also, for everyone's edification, the snarkmark is what I was using, because the official copyrighted snarkmark is too big a pain to use in quick conversation.
That color green gives me a headache, I will never use it.
His Incomparable Highness,
His Matchless Grace,
His Majestic Honor,
His Eminent Splendor,
His Chivalrous Eminence,
The Rook
Lord Protector of Uantir
His Matchless Grace,
His Majestic Honor,
His Eminent Splendor,
His Chivalrous Eminence,
The Rook
Lord Protector of Uantir
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Great, there must be an IP ban for my server in your network then - and I've bought that domain mainly to overcome google and proxies ._.Rook wrote:That link doesn't open for me.
I'm going to reupload it on imgur or deviantart... I'm sure it falls into devart's target, somewhere between soft porn and mediocre poetry
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IRL just a random guy from Poland. Still learning English.
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As in all things, Andreas shares my viewpoints on this topic.
Also the snarkmark is the greatest addition to typing I have ever seen .~
Also the snarkmark is the greatest addition to typing I have ever seen .~
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A think a month would be totally fine, or at least a fortnight. Alternatively, the reserving claims probably works just as well (and if they don't bother to come back in the requisite time period to get the claim moving again, their nation has probably folded, so they're effectively auto-removed by virtue of their reserving lapsing).Craitman wrote:I'll ask you the same things I asked Sadamara in regards to probation. Would you like to see the minimum age requirement scrapped completely, so nations could in theory claim from as soon as they're founded?Andreas the Wise wrote:I think the idea of a probationary period (with potential removal if the nation doesn't last the full three months, or whatever criteria you think appropriate that you would use to currently justify an initial claim after three months) is a good compromise to allow land development without getting the map flooded with one-week nations .
And Pawel, that new map version looks quite nice to me.
Andreas
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I think a light green, à la most AlternateHistory.com map schemes, would work best for terra nullius.
Which reminds me, I should work on the AH.com-style claimsmap...
Which reminds me, I should work on the AH.com-style claimsmap...
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Sigged for unfortunate truthfulness.Sadamara wrote:We need to find compromise, not bicker!
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Funny you should mention Aryasht... the sheer maelstrom of contortions, reductions and swaps Shireroth had to go through to assume that territory was one of the major precipitating factors behind this letter. That and the business with Alexandria.pawelabrams wrote:but, but... but no bigger than Shireroth *looks at Aryasht* well, whichever country expands - the backstory impact must be seen.
I agree the backstory should be solid though.
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People agreeing with Malliki? This feels wrong! I think a month's reservation before claiming (or not, as the case may be) is the most viable compromise here; it gives the MCS a chance to see development occur before trying to vote on the claim of a new project whilst also allowing new nations to know what land they'll have once they claim successfully, so they have a template to work to geographicallyAndreas the Wise wrote:Alternatively, the reserving claims probably works just as well (and if they don't bother to come back in the requisite time period to get the claim moving again, their nation has probably folded, so they're effectively auto-removed by virtue of their reserving lapsing).
Other than their justified and amicably-discussed reduction, what else happened with Alexandria?Yastreb wrote:That and the business with Alexandria.
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I find it highly amusing that one of the signatories of this letter, who probably wanted to be able to claim earlier, has already collapsed.
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I must correct you here, it was never my intend to claim earlier for Maraguo. I did embrace the month of activity that Craitman demanded immediately. It was actually the fact that I saw that the day on which the Maraguan claim would be accepted was coming nearer that made me decide to cancel the request since I realized that I would probably not be interested in the project for long and I think that it would damage my creditability if I would allow Maraguo to be put on the map and than have a removal a couple of months after. So I decided to save everyone some trouble and cancel the application.
Needless to say that I am still very supportive of this letter.
Needless to say that I am still very supportive of this letter.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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I should say though that this affair made me realize (if I didn't know it somewhere already) that a waiting period is not necessarily a bad idea. It allows the claimant to think closer about his (or her, but there aren't many hers here) claim. It was the three month period that I object strongly against. I still think a month is rather long but I am willing to accept Craitman's proposal for land reservation as a compromise.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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Why don't you change the claim process entirely from a waiting period to a series of confirmations?
By this I mean: Nation XYZ is founded and makes a claim a day later. A 1-day-old nation doesn't have much standing, so the claim is granted probationally. One week passes, and the claimant has to issue a confirmation re-affirming their claim. Membership is granted, claim is processed. One month goes by, and a secondary confirmation is required by the claimant. Three months go by and a third confirmation is required by the claimant; this ends probationary membership and standard rules apply. Missing any one of these confirmations nullifies their membership and they have to start over again.
By using this process you get the person claiming to be involved a little more by forcing their presence, and it eliminates the waiting period, allowing a claim to be processed immediately.
By this I mean: Nation XYZ is founded and makes a claim a day later. A 1-day-old nation doesn't have much standing, so the claim is granted probationally. One week passes, and the claimant has to issue a confirmation re-affirming their claim. Membership is granted, claim is processed. One month goes by, and a secondary confirmation is required by the claimant. Three months go by and a third confirmation is required by the claimant; this ends probationary membership and standard rules apply. Missing any one of these confirmations nullifies their membership and they have to start over again.
By using this process you get the person claiming to be involved a little more by forcing their presence, and it eliminates the waiting period, allowing a claim to be processed immediately.
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That seems an unnecessarily drawn-out process just so that nations can have land immediately; which is something that most people here seem to oppose permitting. I'm personally much more in favour of reserving land for a month before accepting a claim as a short waiting period is still beneficial for both the nation and Micras as a whole, and it'd also mean we're not inundated with a potential series of nations lasting on Micras for just a week at a time...Orion wrote:By using this process you get the person claiming to be involved a little more by forcing their presence, and it eliminates the waiting period, allowing a claim to be processed immediately.
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You still get a lot of people issuing claims and then not really doing anything to become involved as a community. I think the point I'm trying to make is that one of the fundamental objectives of the MCS is not simply in offering cartographic continuity but in fostering community. What's the point of sharing a map if you never interact with your neighbors? The purpose of my suggestion was that it would help prod the claimant into visiting the forum a bit a more and perhaps increase the chances of engaging their interest.