Re: Placeholder Policy
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:25 pm
Don't forget a pizza party if we hit our targets!
I fail to see anything wrong with the response by the council (by which, since you use plural, I assume you mean Barnaby and me). We simply asked a question. When I read this discussion again I have to conclude that the only person responsible for Altus not being on the map very soon is the claimant himself, who chose to respond confrontationally in caps, and underlined and bold phrases, using words like "ridiculous" and "unreasonable". Before an actual conversation could take place, he had withdrawn his claim. So I don't see how one could draw conclusions from this on the functioning of the council and the charter, when the initial source of trouble does not rest there.Orion wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:13 pmI never suggested there was malice, only that the wording was misconstrued as confrontational. The entire situation is regrettable, but you can't be expected to be there to defuse every situation. It might not be a bad idea to consider a training module for Council members. I'm also trying to update MicrasWiki's main page with up-to-date links and writing up the long-absent "I'm new!" page.Craitman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:47 pmIf by "the claim" you mean specifically Altus', I don't disagree there, even if the overwhelming factor was more that of confusion than malice. As I mentioned in Altus' claim thread, it was a regret of mine that I was unable to reply to the situation before it was seemingly beyond repair...
Regardless of whether it's a hobby or not one should not make light of losing a valuable contributor to the community. It wouldn't be all that hard to whip up a PowerPoint guide or something along those lines to walk new council members through some basics. Expectations, standards, etiquette, etc...
You and Barnaby. Whether Ed overreacted or not is irrelevant to the point being made in this discussion. The point is that everyone can improve their methods of communication. As a councillor you have the faith of the entire community placed in you, and as such are held to a higher standard.
I was making light of the ever-increasing expectations of the Council, not anyone's departure. Losing long-standing members of the community is indeed regretful, but people come and go - we mourned Ed "leaving" a couple of months ago, then he came back with a new nation. It's hard to keep track who's at what stage of leaving/returning sometimes.Orion wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:35 amRegardless of whether it's a hobby or not one should not make light of losing a valuable contributor to the community. It wouldn't be all that hard to whip up a PowerPoint guide or something along those lines to walk new council members through some basics. Expectations, standards, etiquette, etc...
I fail to see any error in my post which, and I repeat myself now, was merely asking a question of process.Orion wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:35 amYou and Barnaby. Whether Ed overreacted or not is irrelevant to the point being made in this discussion. The point is that everyone can improve their methods of communication. As a councillor you have the faith of the entire community placed in you, and as such are held to a higher standard.
Let's review this, because I'm really resentful of being painted here as someone who was being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic and I'm personally sick of it. It's being used to mask the mistakes the Council made in handling the Altus claim and making it appear that the problem was 100% from me and I deeply resent that. There's no other way for me to take that than personal. It's a personal attack. Not to mention it's particularly rich coming from you, Jack.Jack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:43 amI fail to see anything wrong with the response by the council (by which, since you use plural, I assume you mean Barnaby and me). We simply asked a question. When I read this discussion again I have to conclude that the only person responsible for Altus not being on the map very soon is the claimant himself, who chose to respond confrontationally in caps, and underlined and bold phrases, using words like "ridiculous" and "unreasonable". Before an actual conversation could take place, he had withdrawn his claim. So I don't see how one could draw conclusions from this on the functioning of the council and the charter, when the initial source of trouble does not rest there.Orion wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:13 pmI never suggested there was malice, only that the wording was misconstrued as confrontational. The entire situation is regrettable, but you can't be expected to be there to defuse every situation. It might not be a bad idea to consider a training module for Council members. I'm also trying to update MicrasWiki's main page with up-to-date links and writing up the long-absent "I'm new!" page.Craitman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:47 pmIf by "the claim" you mean specifically Altus', I don't disagree there, even if the overwhelming factor was more that of confusion than malice. As I mentioned in Altus' claim thread, it was a regret of mine that I was unable to reply to the situation before it was seemingly beyond repair...
Bolding for emphasis, not confrontation.9. Qualification
(1) A state may, at the discretion of the Council, become a member of the Society if they can prove to the satisfaction of the Council that they: (a) are independent of every other member, and (b) have established a documented online existence for a period exceeding 30 days prior to their initial application.
(2) States which do not meet the criteria in subsection (1)(b) may reserve land at the Council's discretion until they reach the age stated in the aforementioned criteria.
Well, I'm sorry that you see it that way. It has nothing to do with being personal, or should I take your criticisms personal as well? Seems rather unhelpful. I am 100% sure that if you had not retracted your claim so soon, it would now be on the map, period. You did not even wait to see my response to your explanation, nor Barnaby's for that matter. Indeed, what you were asking was totally reasonable, and it would have been accepted under the current rules, which is all I wish to say about the matter and also is why I don't see the necessity for additional rules.Edgard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:32 pmLet's review this, because I'm really resentful of being painted here as someone who was being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic and I'm personally sick of it. It's being used to mask the mistakes the Council made in handling the Altus claim and making it appear that the problem was 100% from me and I deeply resent that. There's no other way for me to take that than personal. It's a personal attack. Not to mention it's particularly rich coming from you, Jack.
Okay, I was successfuly avoiding this conversational sewer until now but as you've seen fit to attack me directly, I'll offer my end of the story:Edgard wrote:(In fact, when the Council prematurely started voting, they couldn't even bother to get the name of the place right, with "Altusia".)