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But Gralus is dead, and should by the treaty have all its accounts emptied. It should definitely not get a reimbursement.
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As to the point about the Treaty powers, I agree with Malliki among others that this is (if not patently, at least arguably) outside the power specified in the Treaty.
Ineffectual discussion on general principles doesn't give a mandate for this specific decision. SCUE shouldn't be led by a despot but someone who takes in the views of many members.Duke Sinclair wrote:With all due respect, it appears my word choice was effective. But by all means, let's have a discussion regarding ways the bank could encourage your nations to participate."Notice"? How about a discussion about this first to see if anyone supports this move?
* I am prepared to refrain from implementing policy until we have come to some agreement as to the role of SCUE should be in promoting trade amongst members.
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SCUE should at least be recognised by said administrator as an international, not supranational, organisation.
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No, Toketi succeeded Gralus, I just haven't bothered changing the provinces over. As you see from Duke Sinclair's example, Toketi (or at least, me and the SCX, whose accounts are registered there) are making more than enough transactions to still count as contributing to the economy.Ric wrote:But Gralus is dead, and should by the treaty have all its accounts emptied. It should definitely not get a reimbursement.
And yes, the way the treaty was written, it should require an amendment to implement such a tax - the administrator enforcing taxation was meant to be 'If someone should be taxed but refuses to pay and then moves all their money into an offshore account, the administrator can help track them down if needs be.' I think this discussion is a good start to that, just maybe overzealously worded in the initial post.
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I agree with the concept of this idea, it seems fair... and that's about all I have to add.
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The SCUE should surely be providing a platform for co-operation between member states and allowing them to flourish themselves, without having to actively 'encourage' or penalise certain nations in the way proposed.
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The Republic of Flanders opposes this decision by Administrator Sinclair with vigor and joins the honorable Comrades Malliki and Benkern in their protest.
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Maybe I should have included the word "Notice" in the title of that other thread.Benkern wrote:Ineffectual discussion on general principles doesn't give a mandate for this specific decision. SCUE shouldn't be led by a despot but someone who takes in the views of many members.
Done. The language of the Charter is no longer as ambiguous, and I respect the calls for such a policy as the one proposed to be enacted via legislation, rather than decree.Malliki wrote:SCUE should at least be recognised by said administrator as an international, not supranational, organisation.
On this we disagree. Our currency is useless if most nations aren't using it, and right now, most nations aren't using it. If the bank can promote trade by fair means, like what I've proposed, then it should do so. If members aren't interested in using their currency, they should join other banks.Benkern wrote:The SCUE should surely be providing a platform for co-operation between member states and allowing them to flourish themselves, without having to actively 'encourage' or penalise certain nations in the way proposed.
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Perhaps the SCUE should spend more time at thinking of creating opportunities for nations to trade. I for one don't see much at the moment that is worth my money, and that says enough.
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Granted, I'm not particularly well-learnèd in what happens in the SCUE environs, that doesn't strike me as being the SCUE's job. Surely it just provides nations with a platform on which to trade with more efficiency? After that, it's up to nations to use it for what they want and use their own ideas to open more trading...Jack wrote:Perhaps the SCUE should spend more time at thinking of creating opportunities for nations to trade.
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If that's the SCUE's job, this "notice" doesn't make sense in the first place.
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Well yeah, I didn't say it did, it just struck me as being an unusual request. Kinda similar to a new nation claiming on Micras and then asking why the MCS hasn't given them anything to do with their land...
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Its a strange act.
Shouldnt countries not tax companies ? and the SCUE could only ask for fees, unless the country where the SCUE is located could
tax listed companies, not countries.
If you propose this a new organisation should be raised I think, like an International Trade Forum or something where countries could connect and you ask them for a contribution.
Shouldnt countries not tax companies ? and the SCUE could only ask for fees, unless the country where the SCUE is located could
tax listed companies, not countries.
If you propose this a new organisation should be raised I think, like an International Trade Forum or something where countries could connect and you ask them for a contribution.
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The lack of things which you find desirable, as I've said before in other conversations, is not the fault of the bank. If you want people to start producing things that you'll want to buy, then you also need to start producing desirable things for other people to buy. The idea that there's nothing to buy is frankly a lazy excuse to ignore trade and economics entirely. That said, the bank does actually already provide opportunities to trade. My opinion is still that the SCX provides one of the best, most underutilized of those opportunities.Jack wrote:Perhaps the SCUE should spend more time at thinking of creating opportunities for nations to trade. I for one don't see much at the moment that is worth my money, and that says enough.
Again, if most aren't using the currency, then the currency is essentially worthless. It is not in the interest of the bank, or of the members which do use the currency, for the currency to be essentially worthless. Therefore, it is incumbent on the bank adopt fair measures to promote the usage of the currency, even if it means taxes.Granted, I'm not particularly well-learnèd in what happens in the SCUE environs, that doesn't strike me as being the SCUE's job. Surely it just provides nations with a platform on which to trade with more efficiency? After that, it's up to nations to use it for what they want and use their own ideas to open more trading...
I don't think it's all that strange, though I may have gone about it in a strange way. I would rather that the bank behave pro-actively to encourage members to use the currency, and I would rather that this occur without forming any alternative organizations or banks. Real positive change needs to occur within the existing framework.Its a strange act.
Shouldnt countries not tax companies ? and the SCUE could only ask for fees, unless the country where the SCUE is located could
tax listed companies, not countries.
If you propose this a new organisation should be raised I think, like an International Trade Forum or something where countries could connect and you ask them for a contribution.
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I think we can declare the SCUE to be a monumental failure. Given the time and energy put into it and the number of people and nations that have joined, the level of activity in it is discouraging. Perhaps the idea of a "real" economy should be abandoned?