Notice: Trade Equality Act
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So aside from the legality of the issue, which is easily enough addressed if the community is willing, do you have any actual criticisms of the proposed policy? Or are you strictly concerned with the lack of protocol surrounding the proposal?
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I also disagree with it turning the SCUE into a supranational organisation. That was not the goal in the beginning and it shouldn't be now.
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I don't think it's fair to assume that SCUE has to be either an international or supranational entity. It can be an international organization with certain supranational powers, such as the ability to enforce and impose taxes. As long as the community doesn't lose its ability to keep the bank accountable, I don't really see what the concern is. The bank could do a lot more good given a slight extension of its overall powers.
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As I said elsewhere, since you only put in a 50% majority, this does effectively remove the opposing nations' sovereignty to a degree. That is of course their prerogative to agree to or not, but they should at least be aware of it.
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Indeed, I've made a change so that any supranational tax would require 51% support.Malliki wrote:As I said elsewhere, since you only put in a 50% majority, this does effectively remove the opposing nations' sovereignty to a degree. That is of course their prerogative to agree to or not, but they should at least be aware of it.
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Since the SCUE doesn't have 100 members, the change is pointless.
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What percentage of support would you propose?
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My main point here is information. I respect nations that want to be a part of the SCUE, I once supported it as well. However, this change marks a shift in the role and scope of the SCUE, from international to supranational. The only majority you can have that does not infringe on the sovereignty of the member nations is unanimity.
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I disagree. Ultimately nations retain the ability to decide whether they will retain their membership or not, and SCUE can do nothing to prevent them from leaving. So, not only can nations choose not to use the bank, but should they decide to use the bank, they could choose to vote against any proposed taxes. That said, nations do not lose any degree of sovereignty by supporting the proposed amendment, unless you incorrectly believe that nations are the foremost owners of any SCUE currency. Therefore, it would be totally impractical to seek a unanimous vote regarding any taxes, and a simple majority should be more than sufficient.
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Of course they do. The EU is a supranational organisation, even if nations can leave. I think it is a good thing though that members see that the administrator encourages nations to leave that do not share his vision for the SCUE. I do the same, I encourage all nations in the SCUE that do not want to surrender their sovereignty to the administrator to leave while they still can. Who knows what the next proposal will be?
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I doubt that anyone will be convinced by your hyperbole.
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I don't see this proposal correcting that imbalance, though.Andreas the Wise wrote:There's been a general sentiment, expressed on and off, that the early SCUE member nations have too much money and the later SCUE members not enough (which is, of course, because the SCUE was set up with individuals as the primary unit, national membership is just a proxy for this, and a lot of the later member nations are made up largely of citizens from the earlier one); I see this proposal as a clever way to help potentially address that.
As I understand it, the system rewards countries for making transactions, regardless of whether they are internal or external. By far the easiest way to play the system is to move the money around internally: distribute the money to your citizenry, tax them and then pass the money back in the form of salaries/bonuses etc. Such a strategy doesn't require a great deal of commitment or creativity and has the advantage of keeping the money within the country; it does however benefit those nations with larger populations.
The older, richer countries tend to have larger populations. They can pass the money back and forth between their citizens and the state and earn a fortune in reimbursements, with comparatively little effort. Smaller countries don't have that luxury...the smaller the population, the greater the effort to keep the money flowing and the transactions coming.
In short, I see this system rewarding the larger (if not older) and richer nations and making life a little bit harder for the smaller and poorer ones. More importantly, I don't feel it rewards genuine creativity. Why waste your time coming up with a product that someone in another country might actually want to buy when you can earn the same level of reimbursement bouncing money between papel accounts?
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*The Lichqueens Mira Raynora Major, Mira Raynora Minor and Lyssansa of Lichbrook
*The Kings Max I of Leichenberg and Max II of Steeria
*The King Sadamara Aptrgangr of Riskai and the Idunn Isles
*The Lichqueens Mira Raynora Major, Mira Raynora Minor and Lyssansa of Lichbrook
*The Kings Max I of Leichenberg and Max II of Steeria
*The King Sadamara Aptrgangr of Riskai and the Idunn Isles
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I would like to point out, in order to maximize understanding, that this proposal has effectively been replaced by the amendment proposal. Again, no taxes or reimbursements are currently set to occur.
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Either way, this act is not currently active, as it does not currently fit within the scope of the law.
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I've attempted to address the problem you describe by offering small reimbursements to wealthier nations, and by decreasing reimbursements as nations increase in wealth. According to the proposal, nations such as Gralus and Shireroth for example, would receive reimbursements equal to 1% of their transactions, while poorer nations like Vyktory would receive reimbursements equal to 5% of their transactions. I believe that this is a reasonable approach to preventing wealthy nations from simply sitting and increasing their wealth via reimbursements, though the proposal could perhaps be improved by levying larger taxes on wealthier nations. I chose a flat rate or 5% taxes because it offers every country the same amount of time in which they could potentially run out of money.Sadamara wrote:I don't see this proposal correcting that imbalance, though.Andreas the Wise wrote:There's been a general sentiment, expressed on and off, that the early SCUE member nations have too much money and the later SCUE members not enough (which is, of course, because the SCUE was set up with individuals as the primary unit, national membership is just a proxy for this, and a lot of the later member nations are made up largely of citizens from the earlier one); I see this proposal as a clever way to help potentially address that.
As I understand it, the system rewards countries for making transactions, regardless of whether they are internal or external. By far the easiest way to play the system is to move the money around internally: distribute the money to your citizenry, tax them and then pass the money back in the form of salaries/bonuses etc. Such a strategy doesn't require a great deal of commitment or creativity and has the advantage of keeping the money within the country; it does however benefit those nations with larger populations.
The older, richer countries tend to have larger populations. They can pass the money back and forth between their citizens and the state and earn a fortune in reimbursements, with comparatively little effort. Smaller countries don't have that luxury...the smaller the population, the greater the effort to keep the money flowing and the transactions coming.
In short, I see this system rewarding the larger (if not older) and richer nations and making life a little bit harder for the smaller and poorer ones. More importantly, I don't feel it rewards genuine creativity. Why waste your time coming up with a product that someone in another country might actually want to buy when you can earn the same level of reimbursement bouncing money between papel accounts?
Either way, this act is not currently active, as it does not currently fit within the scope of the law.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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Just to clarify...if the amendment passes, is this the system you are going to propose, subject to ratification by a majority of members?
I think it's a good idea to be clear as to what may be in the pipeline should the amendment go through.
I think it's a good idea to be clear as to what may be in the pipeline should the amendment go through.
Rossheim, who acts as various members of the eponymous family including but not limited to:
*The Lichqueens Mira Raynora Major, Mira Raynora Minor and Lyssansa of Lichbrook
*The Kings Max I of Leichenberg and Max II of Steeria
*The King Sadamara Aptrgangr of Riskai and the Idunn Isles
*The Lichqueens Mira Raynora Major, Mira Raynora Minor and Lyssansa of Lichbrook
*The Kings Max I of Leichenberg and Max II of Steeria
*The King Sadamara Aptrgangr of Riskai and the Idunn Isles