Selective Voting in Council
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Selective Voting in Council
I'm lodging a complaint regarding the selective voting by certain members of the council. Six claims have now been approved in the time since I last submitted my claim, while my claim has been consistently ignored. Clearly, inactivity amongst the council members is not the issue. I am left to assume that the council members in question have an unfounded personal issue with me, and I find it unacceptable. Perhaps I would not be left to assume this if this was the first time my claims have been ignored by the same council members, but it is not the first time, and so I am left with my assumptions.
Council members have the option to vote abstain. Ignoring claims is unacceptable. If any council members have a personal issue with me which prompts them to willfully ignore my claim, I obviously invite them to take it up with me. Simmering and being passive-aggressive doesn't solve anything.
For the record, I regard my claim as de-facto accepted until the MCS either formally accepts it, or rejects it. I will continue to treat the land I've claimed as my territory, in spite of the decision by certain council members to ignore my claim.
Council members have the option to vote abstain. Ignoring claims is unacceptable. If any council members have a personal issue with me which prompts them to willfully ignore my claim, I obviously invite them to take it up with me. Simmering and being passive-aggressive doesn't solve anything.
For the record, I regard my claim as de-facto accepted until the MCS either formally accepts it, or rejects it. I will continue to treat the land I've claimed as my territory, in spite of the decision by certain council members to ignore my claim.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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I think your last sentence is a bit redundant - it's not accepted until it's accepted. Of course your government could 'claim' it but it wouldn't be a recognised MCS claim. Nonetheless no-one else could claim the land as your claim would pre-date theirs.
That said I completely agree with the substantive point that Members should vote on all claims all in one go (unless exceptional circumstances apply), or state that they are looking at the claim - basically acknowledge the claim and their delay.
That said I completely agree with the substantive point that Members should vote on all claims all in one go (unless exceptional circumstances apply), or state that they are looking at the claim - basically acknowledge the claim and their delay.
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Now just Vilhelm Benkern, Count of Mar Sara
Suzerain of Hawshire // Peil̊åkti an Ixraǔtn | Protector of the Safir // Xonuti Shawa 'allumi Sanilla'i'i | King of the Free State of Sanilla
Now just Vilhelm Benkern, Count of Mar Sara
Suzerain of Hawshire // Peil̊åkti an Ixraǔtn | Protector of the Safir // Xonuti Shawa 'allumi Sanilla'i'i | King of the Free State of Sanilla
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What I'm trying to get at is that ignoring the claim is little more an ineffectual power-play. It doesn't really have an impact on my nation. It does, however, reflect poorly on the credibility of the council.Benkern wrote:I think your last sentence is a bit redundant - it's not accepted until it's accepted. Of course your government could 'claim' it but it wouldn't be a recognised MCS claim. Nonetheless no-one else could claim the land as your claim would pre-date theirs.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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I'm too a little bit annoyed by the way the some members of the council make it seem they are biased as they only vote on the Shiretit claims, even if other claims in the same area predate it.
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I'll add that only two claims have actually gone through the Council since Passio-Corum's was submitted. Given basic modifications aren't judged by the Council, I wouldn't include them in any list of claims which people have voted on instead of yours.
However, I totally agree with your point, and have no explanation why this is the case. I'd like to think that there is nothing specific relating to Passio-Corum or yourself, and that having previous claims in the same position is purely coincidental, as I have known occurrences where votes have not been made despite multiple forum visits with other nations' claims.
I can't make excuses for others' availability or voting behaviours, so I shall wait to see their views on this issue with you...
However, I totally agree with your point, and have no explanation why this is the case. I'd like to think that there is nothing specific relating to Passio-Corum or yourself, and that having previous claims in the same position is purely coincidental, as I have known occurrences where votes have not been made despite multiple forum visits with other nations' claims.
I can't make excuses for others' availability or voting behaviours, so I shall wait to see their views on this issue with you...
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The voting on our expansion is highly annoying. Not because our claim does likely not get accepted, but we claimed earlier than Shireroth and the only reasoning Gerenia gives is "NAY because of my vote on Shireroth's claim". The proper way to vote would be: first decide on the Jingdaoese claim, then decide on the Shirerithian claim if the Jingdaoese claim gets rejected.
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As I've just explained, I didn't see who claimed first. I read about Shireroth's claim and their reasons, and voted. Later I saw that you were claiming the same land, then I had to vote nay, but I didn't know that you posted earlier.
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President of the Republic of Gerenia, 2012-2017 (as Gerald Ruze)
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Very well. It's a done thing now.
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That explanation neither provides a justification for the vote in question, nor does it address the issue which is raised in this thread. I'm afraid that your response only proves the point...
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I would like to think so too. The evidence, however, makes this difficult. I hope that the council is able to address this issue, as it is one which threatens the basic structure of the MCS.I'd like to think that there is nothing specific relating to Passio-Corum or yourself, and that having previous claims in the same position is purely coincidental, as I have known occurrences where votes have not been made despite multiple forum visits with other nations' claims.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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To be as abundantly clear as possible, I am specifically lodging this complaint against Senya and Gerenia, and to a lesser extent Jack. I figured I'd name them personally so that there is no skirting the issue. No one can claim, "I didn't know he was talking about me."
Any lack of response to either this complaint, or to the current New Zimian claim, will serve as evidence that I am in fact correct in my assumptions, and that in fact the council is politically corrupt. Again, I hope that the organization is able to resolve this issue.
Any lack of response to either this complaint, or to the current New Zimian claim, will serve as evidence that I am in fact correct in my assumptions, and that in fact the council is politically corrupt. Again, I hope that the organization is able to resolve this issue.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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I was deliberating your claim and I guess I forgot about it then. I'm still not too sure whether to AYE it though, since you were a little bit unkind to me recently... But perhaps I will take the highroad.
Also, I do think Rasmus has a reasonable point. Approving the Shireroth claim and refusing to vote on the Jingdaoese claim is not in line with MCS policy.
Also, I do think Rasmus has a reasonable point. Approving the Shireroth claim and refusing to vote on the Jingdaoese claim is not in line with MCS policy.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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I have been nothing but decent to you for at least a year. My dislike for you is mostly a thing of the past.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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Now that you're here anyway - how many citizens does your nation have?NewZimiaGov wrote:I have been nothing but decent to you for at least a year. My dislike for you is mostly a thing of the past.
Porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra.
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I'm not sure that it's relevant to this specific issue, but Passio-Corum is and has always been a one man nation. It can be hard to tell though. Sometimes it seems like the work of two or three.
""YJD: Een Recwar is prima zolang Bijaro niet deelneemt."
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Hoowee! It's getting savage up in here.