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FMF World Rankings - Discussion
Genuinely love how Stormark and Hurmu have the same amount of points!
Also, there's two Hamlands and it's Incontinentia, not Intercontinentia
Also, there's two Hamlands and it's Incontinentia, not Intercontinentia
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I noticed the two Hamlands but not Intercontinentia, they're fixed now though
Now that the rankings are done, we can have maybe an FMF date each month for friendlies, except tournament months?
Now that the rankings are done, we can have maybe an FMF date each month for friendlies, except tournament months?
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We can do just like FIFA dates... if a Championship is running, we can stop it and let the date happen...
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Can you give us an update on how the ranking is made? I wonder how did Aran get a place in the ranking without playing a single game in their history, being ahead of nations like Beaugium or New Vaduz...
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Aran beat Mercury in a Friendly the other day, which gives them 100% in friendly matches, so 100 points. They scored 8 points for having 8 teams in their league, 6 points for having 2 divisions in a league shared with other nations and another 10 points for it being active, but shared.Duke_J wrote:Can you give us an update on how the ranking is made? I wonder how did Aran get a place in the ranking without playing a single game in their history, being ahead of nations like Beaugium or New Vaduz...
This is only a provisional pre-World Cup table (although it includes the first two group games), so it can change, and the coefficients will be factored in for the September table.
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I can't agree with this: a nation plays 12 friendlies, wins 11 and ties one and has less points than a nation that had only played a single game in their history...joefoxon wrote:Aran beat Mercury in a Friendly the other day, which gives them 100% in friendly matches, so 100 points. They scored 8 points for having 8 teams in their league, 6 points for having 2 divisions in a league shared with other nations and another 10 points for it being active, but shared.Duke_J wrote:Can you give us an update on how the ranking is made? I wonder how did Aran get a place in the ranking without playing a single game in their history, being ahead of nations like Beaugium or New Vaduz...
This is only a provisional pre-World Cup table (although it includes the first two group games), so it can change, and the coefficients will be factored in for the September table.
The thing of the points per team I believe it is a great idea, although I would like to see it ponderated with activity: for example, we have 12 teams in HPL, 6 in SDC and 18 in regional league, which I don't expect to be counted full, since the activity on the regional league is different from the rest... Maybe ponderation comes here too...
Maybe we should see the complete qualification system... but two thumbs up for the ideas!
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I can send you a link to the spreadsheet if you want.
How about I change it to maybe 10 points for a friendly win, 4 for a draw and 1 for turning up on the FMF date but losing, up to 10 friendlies in that year (corresponding with 10 FMF dates)?
For the points per team, each known team in the league system is worth 1 point (in the spreadsheet there is a maximum of 28 points for this, which by some amazing coincidence is the same number of teams in Craitland).
There are 5 points per active division in that country, up to 20 points. 3 points are awarded for each division in a league shared with other nations (eg Four Nations), and 2 points are given for nations with teams playing in other nations' leagues.
A fully active league system, playing matches every week during the season scores 20 points out of 20. A semi-active (maybe matches every two weeks-1 month) league, or one that is shared with another nation scores 10 points. A semi-active league shared with another nation scores 5 points, and an inactive league scores 0 for this section.
A maximum of 32 points will be awarded based on Champions League performance of that nations' teams.
How about I change it to maybe 10 points for a friendly win, 4 for a draw and 1 for turning up on the FMF date but losing, up to 10 friendlies in that year (corresponding with 10 FMF dates)?
For the points per team, each known team in the league system is worth 1 point (in the spreadsheet there is a maximum of 28 points for this, which by some amazing coincidence is the same number of teams in Craitland).
There are 5 points per active division in that country, up to 20 points. 3 points are awarded for each division in a league shared with other nations (eg Four Nations), and 2 points are given for nations with teams playing in other nations' leagues.
A fully active league system, playing matches every week during the season scores 20 points out of 20. A semi-active (maybe matches every two weeks-1 month) league, or one that is shared with another nation scores 10 points. A semi-active league shared with another nation scores 5 points, and an inactive league scores 0 for this section.
A maximum of 32 points will be awarded based on Champions League performance of that nations' teams.
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World Rankings System Explained
This is a complete guide to the workings of the FMF World Rankings.
World Cups
In the FMF World Cup, a total of 500 points are up for grabs. These points are distributed in the following way:
Continental Championship points are a combination of both group stage points and final position in the competition.
In the World Cup qualifiers, the percentage efficiency of each team is calculated (100*points won/total possible points), then multiplied by 3 to give a score out of 300.
Active League
An active league can give a nation a bonus of up to 100 points in the rankings, based on a combination of measurements.
Number of teams
One point is given for each team in the league system. This was originally calculated to a maximum of 28 points, but this limit may be raised in future.
Number of divisions
Nations will be scored up to a maximum of 32 (which may be lowered in future) based on the performance of their clubs in their respective Champions Leagues.
Friendlies
At the moment, Friendly scoring uses a percentage system, giving teams with a 100% record 100 points. This is proposed to be changed to a cumulative system. In this system, teams will score 1 point for each FMF date they arrange a match for. A draw will add an extra 3 points, and a win will add and extra 9 points.
This is a complete guide to the workings of the FMF World Rankings.
World Cups
In the FMF World Cup, a total of 500 points are up for grabs. These points are distributed in the following way:
- Up to 90 points in the Group Stage, teams score 10 times their points in this round.
- For a win in the quarter finals, 110 points are awarded, so a total of 200 so far.
- A win in the semi-finals is worth 140 points.
- Winning the 3rd place playoff scores 70 points.
- The champion gets an extra 160 points, taking them up to a possible 500 points.
Continental Championship points are a combination of both group stage points and final position in the competition.
- Up to 60 points are available in the Group Stage, which is calculated as a fraction of the total points gained.
- The team finishing in 4th place gets an extra 80 points here.
- 3rd will get 60 more points (140 + Group Stage in total).
- 2nd will get a further 120 points (200 + Group Stage in total).
- 1st place team get 140 more points, making a possible 400 points here (140 + 200 + Group Stage in total).
In the World Cup qualifiers, the percentage efficiency of each team is calculated (100*points won/total possible points), then multiplied by 3 to give a score out of 300.
Active League
An active league can give a nation a bonus of up to 100 points in the rankings, based on a combination of measurements.
Number of teams
One point is given for each team in the league system. This was originally calculated to a maximum of 28 points, but this limit may be raised in future.
Number of divisions
- 5 points are added for each division in the league system, up to a maximum of 20 points.
- 3 points are added for each division in a league system which is shared with another nation (eg The Four Nations)
- 2 points are added for nations which have teams in the league systems of other nations (eg Nova English Korean teams playing in Nova England's league)
- 20 points are awarded for active leagues, that is a league with regular matches during the season.
- 10 points are awarded for shared leagues and inactive leagues.
- 5 points are awarded for shared inactive leagues.
- Mercury were awarded 15 points in this section, as they have a combination of shared league (the Four Nations) and it's own national league (the Mercury League).
Nations will be scored up to a maximum of 32 (which may be lowered in future) based on the performance of their clubs in their respective Champions Leagues.
Friendlies
At the moment, Friendly scoring uses a percentage system, giving teams with a 100% record 100 points. This is proposed to be changed to a cumulative system. In this system, teams will score 1 point for each FMF date they arrange a match for. A draw will add an extra 3 points, and a win will add and extra 9 points.
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Maybe, for this time being, we should not put the friendlies into consideration as far as we have the FMF dates systems working?
And it'd be great to see the spreadsheet, maybe I can figure it out better this way (I'm not good with numbers in abstract! )
And it'd be great to see the spreadsheet, maybe I can figure it out better this way (I'm not good with numbers in abstract! )
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Re: FMF World Rankings - Discussion
THere are some mistakes on Hammish League system:
We've got a total of 12 teams in HPL, 6 in SDC and 18 in regional league, in which 2 are newvaduzian, 4 Tae and 2 Passassian... this is not reflected in non of the nations...
We've got a total of 12 teams in HPL, 6 in SDC and 18 in regional league, in which 2 are newvaduzian, 4 Tae and 2 Passassian... this is not reflected in non of the nations...
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Re: FMF World Rankings - Discussion
Will be fixed in the Post-World Cup ranking
Can you give me a full clear description of the teams and divisions in your league system?
Can you give me a full clear description of the teams and divisions in your league system?
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Re: FMF World Rankings - Discussion
The friendlies points system needs to be revised, I agree with that. We could use the points given in competition games (1 for draw, 3 for win), and adjust that depending on the difference between the nations in the ranking. If Antica plays one friendly and wins against Craitland, that's 100 points now. If Babkha wins against Aran, that's also 100 points. That's not really fair. I like parts of the FIFA calculation formula, which looks like this:
P = M x I x T x C
P = Points
M = Points for match result: Win gives 3, draw gives 1, loss gives 0. Win in penalty shootout gives 2 and loss in penalty shootout gives 1.
I = Importance of match. Friendly including small competitions gives 1.0, FMF World Cup qualifier or confederation qualifier gives 2.5, confederation-level finals gives 3.0, and FMF World Cup finals gives 4.0.
T = Strength of opponent. In FIFA, the formula is 200 - the ranking position, with the exception that the first placed team always has 200, and those ranked 150th and below always have at least 50. In the FMF, this could be adjusted to 100 - position, or 30 or 50 depending on what we want.
C = Strength of confederation. Each FIFA confederation is assigned a fractional value, with UEFA and CONMEBOL having 1.00 down to OFC having 0.85. This I think we could skip.
This however is not the points added to the team's ranking. Instead, the average number of points during the last 12 months is added to the points total, if you play at least 5 games. If you don't, the average number is reduced. You also get average points for the last four years, that depreciate over time.
A simple formula for this would then be:
P = M x T x C
R = P x Y x A
Here, R is ranking, P is points from the first formula, Y is year average and A is four years average. Y and A are always 1.00 or less. To this we could add a divider for league status for example, i.e. having an active league with at least eight teams gives x 1.00.
If you like this thought, I can make an automatic spreadsheet, where you only have to put in a few numbers to get a finished rankings table.
P = M x I x T x C
P = Points
M = Points for match result: Win gives 3, draw gives 1, loss gives 0. Win in penalty shootout gives 2 and loss in penalty shootout gives 1.
I = Importance of match. Friendly including small competitions gives 1.0, FMF World Cup qualifier or confederation qualifier gives 2.5, confederation-level finals gives 3.0, and FMF World Cup finals gives 4.0.
T = Strength of opponent. In FIFA, the formula is 200 - the ranking position, with the exception that the first placed team always has 200, and those ranked 150th and below always have at least 50. In the FMF, this could be adjusted to 100 - position, or 30 or 50 depending on what we want.
C = Strength of confederation. Each FIFA confederation is assigned a fractional value, with UEFA and CONMEBOL having 1.00 down to OFC having 0.85. This I think we could skip.
This however is not the points added to the team's ranking. Instead, the average number of points during the last 12 months is added to the points total, if you play at least 5 games. If you don't, the average number is reduced. You also get average points for the last four years, that depreciate over time.
A simple formula for this would then be:
P = M x T x C
R = P x Y x A
Here, R is ranking, P is points from the first formula, Y is year average and A is four years average. Y and A are always 1.00 or less. To this we could add a divider for league status for example, i.e. having an active league with at least eight teams gives x 1.00.
If you like this thought, I can make an automatic spreadsheet, where you only have to put in a few numbers to get a finished rankings table.
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Re: FMF World Rankings - Discussion
And to make it easier to keep track of this, we could make it mandatory to report friendlies here if you want them to be included in the ranking. Otherwise, they are "B" games.
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Only friendlies played on FMF dates will count for the ranking, results of which must be posted in the relevant Statistics Office thread within 3 days of the match, otherwise 0 points will be scored for that date.
And an average opponent strength multiplier will be applied to tables after the first one, so that beating better teams is reflected.
And an average opponent strength multiplier will be applied to tables after the first one, so that beating better teams is reflected.