The Anunia Convention
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The Anunia Convention
Straight from the Novatainian War Museum. Jonas, we should just quickly discuss the relevant terms in section II.The Anunia Convention
I. Organisation
A. The Convention recognises two bodies of previous knowledge are applicable to war beyond this charter. They are defined as the ‘Existing National Defence’ as defined in III.A and B, and ‘Common Law’ of judging as defined in VI.E and F.
B. At the current time, 'Existing National Defence' is held within the Ministry of Defence of individual nations, and the 'Common Law' will be held with the MRWS, and only information within the MRWS or individual Ministry of Defence BEFORE the commencement of hostilities will be used in the war.
C. This convention may be judged by an MRWS appointed Judge, or any Judge agreed upon by both opposing parties. For the judgements of the war to be added to the Common Law at the cessation of hostilities, the conflict must be international, unless otherwise approved by the MRWS.
II. Politics
A. Any Member who can provide two opposing sides may submit a declaration of war to the Convention. Wars will be provided with their own forums as soon as possible. The war may either be held on a forum mutually agreed by both sides, such as a national forum, or on a suitably impartial forum such as MCS or MRWS.
B. Declarations of war must contain the fictional parameters of the war, such as what technology level is allowed, whether or not to allow magic, whether or not to allow nuclear weapons, and any modifications to standard Convention rules. They must also contain an end date. Where the parameters for the war are not defined, it is assumed that Nuclear Weapons, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons and Magic are banned, and that any technology used must be in use (or have been in use) in real world military operations, and sufficient data must be obtained about its specifications. Where magic is used, it will be fought under the SCM system. The assumed end date, if not defined, is one month from the commencement of fighting.
C. A declaration of war must also contain acceptable outcomes in terms of real assets lost or gained. Nations can choose to engage in Convention wars without any actual results or can choose to gamble territory, currency, or some other incentive upon the outcome. Where the real asset losses are not defined at the start of the war, no assets can be lost based on the outcome of the war unless the losing nation agrees.
D. Belligerent parties can include nations, organizations, and individuals. Once a war has started, no new belligerent party may join except at the invitation of a belligerent party already participating. See section IV.O for details on where they can start.
E. Once a nation is involved in a war, it cannot leave the war until it has signed a peace treaty with every nation it was formerly at war with, either separately or all together. The peace treaty may have any terms that the parties negotiating will agree upon. Non-national belligerent parties may leave the war whenever they wish.
F. At any time, a nation that wants to leave the war can surrender, in which case they lose everything they offered in Step C but are considered at peace with the opposing nations. At that point, Convention rules are considered to be no longer in force. At any time past the end-date of a war, if the war is still going on a nation that wants to leave it can ask the Judge for a force peace, in which the Judge drafts what he considers a fair peace treaty based on the progress of the war thus far and forces both parties to sign it. No force peace will take more from either side than they offered in Step C.
G. When all nations have made peace with each other, or when the conflict has become inactive, the war is considered closed.
III. Pre-War Preparation.
A. Nation's may utilise pre-existing defences in their country if they follow two requirements.
i. Detail their defensive structures in a single, public post in their Ministry of Defence or equivalent.
ii. When entering the war, place in their national orbats that they having existing defensive structures and include a link. The opposing side then has 2 days before the commencement of fighting to look over the defenses and raise any concerns they have about it with the Judge.
B. Such defenseive structures cannot require manpower to operate, otherwise said manpower must be included in the their orbat. eg. A wall, or a mine, is appropriate, but a SAM is not. They must also be within the reality constraints placed on the war as a whole.
C. A nations forces, within their orbat, may also be prepared beforehand in one of three ways.
i. Have fought and survived a previous Recwar which was not too recent as to have sapped morale.
ii. Had a backstory of reasonable quality written for them explaining their training/origin/loyalty, and why they are more experienced than a normal unit.
iii. Participated in regular training exercises in their nation.
D. Such a force is counted as 'more experienced,' and should be considered better in battle than an identical force which has not had any previous preparation. This experience applies only to the specific forces the preparation above applies to, and not the commander's unit as a whole. For ii. backstory may be written up to the commencement of fighting.
E. The Judge or Judges will be declared before the start of combat. Where further judges are invited in during the course of the war, they must be approved by both original belligerent parties.
IV. Forces
A. The basic division of military strength is the unit. One real person equals one military unit.
B. However, within a nation, the actual command of each person can be rearranged to suit the nation as a whole. One real person can command a maximum of 4 units worth of troops, and each real person must command a minimum of 1/4 units worth of troops.
C. A unit has a strength equivalent to 25,000 soldiers, except where a different value is agreed upon by the two belligerent parties at the start of the war. Players are encouraged to have creative unit compositions, but units keep this basic strength no matter what their composition is. For example, a player could have 5,000 well trained soldiers backed up by a group of tanks - with a strength still equal to 25,000 normal soldiers. See below for exact values of each item type. Barring experience and other variables to be discussed below, all units start with equal strength.
D. The strength of 25000 soldiers may be divided in the orbat into stronger ‘items’ as the Player sees fit. Following is the cost of a ‘standard’ item of the type listed below. Standard is understood as a basic level in use in current military, and an example of what is understood as standard is included in brackets afterwards. Orbats may use any or all of these items as they see fit.
Infantry = Light Infantry - 1 - (no need for explanation)
Paratroops - 3 - (akin to the 81st and 101st Airborne)
Marines - 3 - (More relative to the British Royal Marines than the US Marine Corps)
Special Forces - 5 - (US SEALS and SAS)
APC = 15 (This does NOT include IFVs) - (German Boxer or Russian BTR-60)
Armour = Main Battle Tank - 50 - (M1A2 Abrams or UK Challenger II)
Infantry Fighting Vehicle - 40 (US Bradley or UK Warrior)
Light Tank - 35 - (US M551 Sheridan or equivalent)
Reconnaisance Tank - 30 - (British Scimitar Tank)
Armoured Artillery - 25 - (M109A6 Paladin or British AS-90s)
Armoured Anti-Air - 20 - (US Avenger Air Defence System or ALVIS Stormer HVM)
Towed Artillery pieces - 10 - (L118 Light Gun)
Multi-Purpose Helicopter = 60 - (Huey - UH-1 Iroquois)
Attack Helicopter = 75 - (Apache Helicopter)
Bomber = 1,000 - (US B-52 Bomber)
Fighter = 500 - (Eurofighter, no stealth capabilities)
Stealth Plane = 1, 200
Battleship = 5,000 - (USS Iowa, with moderate anti-air defences and conventionally powered)
Carrier = 1,000 - (This does NOT include Aircraft) (non-nuclear powered AC capable of carrying 85 aircraft (NOT ALL ARE COMBAT REMEMBER PEOPLE))
Diesel Sub = 500 - (Soviet Kilo Class)
Nuclear powered submarine = 1,000 - (US Los Angeles Class and British Trafalgar Class)
Submarine capable of ICBMS = 1,500 - (British Vanguard Class)
Destroyer/Frigate = 1,000 - (British Type 45 Destroyer or British Type 23 Frigate)
Cruiser = 2,500 - (No modern day Navies operate conventional cruisers so I'm saying we use the De Zeven Provinciën Class the Dutch created, the British Tiger Class or the british town class with SAM capabilities and limited VLS or box launcher capability)
Corvette/Minesweeper = 500 - British River Class.
E. Where a player is using any ‘non-standard’ items, its cost is determined relative to the difference in its strength from the equivalent ‘standard’ item. So this can be properly assessed, they must define the item in their orbat, both with a name, and with basic strength details which show how they differ from the ‘standard’. Even if the item named is an item existing in the real world, basic strength details MUST still be included on the orbat, so the strength of each orbat can be properly understood before combat, instead of relying on peoples military knowledge. ‘Non-standard’ items will differ from the ‘standard’ cost by the difference in their strength from the ‘standard’. For example, if the ‘standard’ bomber had was guided by GPS and contained 20 bombs, and the ‘non-standard’ bomber proposed was Satellite Guided by an advanced computer system, and contained 25 bombs, it would be costed at 1100 compared to the standard 1000.
F. Items should clearly state any exceptional capabilities at the beginning of combat so there is no temptation to do something dodgy like claim an item has paradrop capabilities when you really need to get behind enemy lines. If a unit wants to have certain surprise abilities that the enemy does not know about, they must get the Judge's approval as close as possible to the beginning of combat and BEFORE the abilities are used. Even surprise abilities MUST be included when determining the cost for an item, and any surprise abilities would increase its cost from the ‘standard’.
G. Two people can pool their units into a larger army if they agree on who has control of the group and can post for it. However, at all times each unit must correspond to a person who has posted at some point in the last three days - no creating a unit, giving it to your friend, and then leaving – that’s what the reallocation of units in part B is for. Any unit that does not have any orders will automatically defend itself if attacked but do nothing else. In the interests of fairness, players are asked not to accept pooled units if it places them over the 4 unit maximum for control, and instead allocate the units to a different military commander. The only exception on this is for short and forewarned LOA’s. If the judge feels that the LOA exception is being abused (that is, a commander is creating LOA’s to give his friend greater than 4 units control and does not plan to actually fight the war) then he may halt that action and force the excess units to be allocated to another commander.
H. If a person doesn't post for more than 3 days, their unit is considered to have deserted. If the person returns, they must announce their return, and it will take their unit 24 hours to reassemble. During this time they can make no actions with it, apart from defending, but their opponents may attack them. If a unit deserted in a location (such as a city) where enemy forces now occupy, they must state the point they are reassembling in, which must be in an area an opposing army is not directly in, and no more than a days move away (depending on the items within their unit). That is, they cannot reassemble in a city where an opposing force is occupying, but they could assemble outside it.
I. Foot soldiers can move about 50 pixels on the MCS map per real time day, perhaps a hundred if you push them. Boats can move about five hundred pixels a day. Planes move instantaneously but cannot move far from a base - either a friendly city or a carrier.
J. Land units are assumed to always have sea transport available from friendly cities. These transports can move them overseas to the theatre of conflict, although of course they can only go as close as the nearest port. They are not assumed to have free transport from anywhere that is not a friendly city - a player with a naval force must take care of that. No transports can pass through an area controlled by an enemy navy without escort unless they want to risk being sunk.
K. Each unit should generally have one post per day, giving opponents a full day (24 hours) to react to any actions. It is much more permissible to multiple posts per day dealing with backstory than to have a unit perform multiple actions per day.
L. Actions can be made in secret only if there is a legitimate in-game reason and it makes sense. A wing of stealth planes can presumably attack in secret - an army of 100,000 men can probably not secretly march across populated enemy territory. Secret actions can either be revealed overtly with a disclaimer that they are secret and the enemy should not know about them (such as sending a wing of stealth planes to a hidden base) or, if there is too much of a temptation for the enemy to respond, can be told to the Commissioner only without a corresponding post (for example, if you are getting guerillas in position to attack an enemy city and don't want the enemy to send defenders there). The Judge has the ability to post the situation where one players move is affected by another players secret move, and where the secret move player does not want to reveal who it is doing the secret move (for example, ambushing people who move through a certain area while pretending your army is to the north of there).
M. Civilians may only be used to a limited degree in war. Friendly civilians may be used to do any activity they could be reasonably expected to do, given their national character. However, the effect of that activity against opposing forces is limited to spying and lowering their morale. Civilians (and any other non-orbatted units) may not destroy any orbatted units, but they may give them minor injuries (bruises, dents etc) that will lower their morale. Enemy civilians may only be used to do an activity that is reasonable given their circumstances. They may only be used to assist the opposing forces if it can be shown that their spirit is entirely broken, or reasonable force has been used against them to force them to do such an action. Any building or assistance carried out by enemy civilians will be of an inferior quality than that of friendly civilians.
N. Actions may be directed against civilians. Any action against a civilian may be responded to by any participant from that nation or otherwise with responsibility for that civilian. The 24 hour rule may be imposed against civilians.
O. Any person joining the war midway, where fighting has occured within the country they are fighting for (whether because their country is already involved in the war and they are only now joining and posting their orbat, or because of an agreement by their country to allow fighting within it before their country entered the war) MUST start within their country's capital. Where their country's capital is occupied by the enemy, they must start in a suitable friendly location agreed between them and the enemy occupying the capital. Where their country has not had fighting occuring within it already, it is assumed their forces may already have been mobilised and may start anywhere within their country's territory.
V. Battles
A. A battle occurs when any item or group of items attacks any other item or group of items.
B. The goal of the Convention is to have the outcome of all battles decided by mutual consent of the two parties involved without the Convention itself interfering, although the Convention realizes this might not always be possible.
C. The variables that might decide battles beyond sheer manpower (shippower? planepower?) are terrain, backstory, experience and gold stars.
D. Rough or high terrain tends to favour defenders and more experienced troops. Familiar terrain confers some advantage, as does settled terrain where the people support your side.
E. Backstory can affect combat - for example, if a unit is exhausted, or has low morale, it might do worse in a fight, whereas if they are desperately fighting for their homes and families under a charismatic leader, that might help them.
F. Experience, as defined in Pre-war Preparation can also increase the strength of a unit. All experience is ‘granted’ before a unit enters combat and cannot be gained in the middle of a war.
F. Gold stars are awarded by the Judge or by any other people who he or the belligerent parties by mutual agreement empower to award them. They are given as a reward for literary and strategic merit, and each one increases the power of the unit wearing it by 50% of base.
G. Where a commander is responding to an opponent’s attack within 24 hours, they are to post what they believe to be their losses, and then how they respond to the attack. Their opponent then has 24 hours to respond to that defence, and so on until they agree the battle is ended.
H. Where a commander has not responded within 24 hours, the attacker has the right to assume the battle went in their favour and post reasonable losses for both sides. They may NOT assume the opposing army just stood there and was slaughtered – they must assume the army defended itself. But they may post slightly higher losses than they would otherwise have achieved.
I. "God-modding", defined as determining your opponents reaction/result, or the failure to play within acceptable reality as set by the society, is unacceptable. Where persistent and/or deliberate, it results in an appropriate action being taken by the Judge. In essence, your attack post should only include what you plan to do. It may not include how the opponent responds, or assume the attack is successful. This is up to the opponent to respond to. Even if there is no way you can see for the opponent to stop your attack, you must still not god-mod the results. The only exception to this is invoking the 24 hour rule above.
VI. Judging
A. Where the outcome of a battle cannot be decided by mutual consent of the two parties involved, the judge may intervene. The Judge has the final say in all events.
B. When one parties requests a judgement, they must start a new thread, clearly titled with the matter to be judged and the two opposing commanders involved. They must then explain what they believe needs to be judged (whether this be how realistic an action is, or to protest losses etc), and provide a link to the offended post or posts.
C. Their opponent must be given a chance to respond, and discuss the matter outside of the war thread with the opposing party. Once this chance has been given, the Judge may deliver his judgement based on the arguments of the two parties, and his knowledge of realistic military combat.
D. Judging may change the losses invoked by the 24 hour rule but ONLY where this is clearly unrealistic.
E. Common Law – that is, where rulings have previously been made on an issue – is assumed to be correct unless the Judge says otherwise. That is, precedent of rulings will be followed.
F. At the cessation of conflict all judgements will be collated to add to the body of Common Law for further conflicts, where this conflict is International in scope.
VII. Miscellaneous
A. The Convention is intended primarily to have fun, improve literary and tactical skills, and to build micronational patriotism. Anyone caught taking the wars too seriously or trying to win at all costs will be reprimanded, banned, or disliked.
B. In all cases ‘he’ is used when referring to the Judge or Commander. This is merely for ease of reference and ‘she’ may be substituted in as applicable.
Andreas
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~Scott Alexander
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Re: The Anunia Convention
About the use of nuclear weapons?Jonas, we should just quickly discuss the relevant terms in section II.
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Level of Technology: Currently Possible (though not necessarily in current use) + a single Omen GravshipB. Declarations of war must contain the fictional parameters of the war, such as what technology level is allowed, whether or not to allow magic, whether or not to allow nuclear weapons, and any modifications to standard Convention rules. They must also contain an end date. Where the parameters for the war are not defined, it is assumed that Nuclear Weapons, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons and Magic are banned, and that any technology used must be in use (or have been in use) in real world military operations, and sufficient data must be obtained about its specifications. Where magic is used, it will be fought under the SCM system. The assumed end date, if not defined, is one month from the commencement of fighting.
C. A declaration of war must also contain acceptable outcomes in terms of real assets lost or gained. Nations can choose to engage in Convention wars without any actual results or can choose to gamble territory, currency, or some other incentive upon the outcome. Where the real asset losses are not defined at the start of the war, no assets can be lost based on the outcome of the war unless the losing nation agrees.
Nuclear Weapons, Biological Weapons, Magic: All No for units/combat. Small uses of magic in backstory are appropriate.
End Date: A month from start should be enough time. We can always extend it.
Assets Lost or Gain: The Jasonian Islands will go to Nelaga when they win. Any other losses/gains must be mutually agreed between the two nations and are not enforced by this convention.
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
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Re: The Anunia Convention
When writing about Magic, can we have a disclaimer saying that such magic is only magic from one person's point of view?
Also, this Omen Gravship, sort of needs to be factored into the Section IV-D ratings.
Also, this Omen Gravship, sort of needs to be factored into the Section IV-D ratings.
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I can't agree with this. Nelaga isn't a member of the MCS for at least 3 months.Assets Lost or Gain: The Jasonian Islands will go to Nelaga when they win. Any other losses/gains must be mutually agreed between the two nations and are not enforced by this convention.
About the technology and small use of magic: no problem.
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Lord_Montague: the Omen is sort of outside the section rules. Okay, okay, it totally defies the section rules. It's being played as a single 25000-OrBat equivilent unit. Something like this would be normally far too powerful for a single unit, but it's suffering from extreme mechanical difficulties. I can give you the basics of it's capabilities (do we all need to do that when declaring OrBats? I haven't used this system yet) but not the full extent of it's mechnical defects, partially because nobody (including my characters) know the full extent of the defects and partially because I don't want to advertise the weaknesses of my unit. Unfortunately, when it comes down to it, the judges and other players are just going to have to take it on faith that I won't go all godmodding on you with this. I promise to try not to disapoint.
Jonas: perhaps we could agree that, when Nelaga meets the requirements to control MCS land, the isles will be turned over to them. Your nations would still hold control to them until it is legally possible to turn it over.
Jonas: perhaps we could agree that, when Nelaga meets the requirements to control MCS land, the isles will be turned over to them. Your nations would still hold control to them until it is legally possible to turn it over.
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SaiKar,
Thanks for getting back to me on this. Well, I appreciate you having the honesty to put the gravship as worth 25,000. I think its only fair that when writing the ORBAT, explanations are given next to units as to what they can do. Just for the sake of clarity however, it'd be useful to judge whether you're godmodding or not with the weaknesses PM'd to me.
Thanks for getting back to me on this. Well, I appreciate you having the honesty to put the gravship as worth 25,000. I think its only fair that when writing the ORBAT, explanations are given next to units as to what they can do. Just for the sake of clarity however, it'd be useful to judge whether you're godmodding or not with the weaknesses PM'd to me.
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Harvey, traditionally, you post a description of anything out of the ordinary of your unit. If for some reason you want part of it secret, you pm the full one to the judge - that just stops you godmodding.
@Monty re magic: it'd just be little things like in our backstory thus far, my character has gated to get between places quickly, for example.
@Monty re magic: it'd just be little things like in our backstory thus far, my character has gated to get between places quickly, for example.
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Re: The Anunia Convention
25000 troops gate next-to andreasAndreas the Wise wrote:my character has gated to get between places quickly, for example.
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*Considers asking if Jeremy understands the difference between units and backstory characters.*
*Considers asking Jeremy how many mages he had in his army to transport those troops, and what incantation he used.*
*Considers observing that Jeremy and Guido appear to exist in a magical world of their own, completely separate from that which the Novatainians and Tokians occupy, as evidenced by their completely unstructured use of magic, generally ripped off Harry Potter.*
*Thinks better of the above and says nothing.*
*Considers asking Jeremy how many mages he had in his army to transport those troops, and what incantation he used.*
*Considers observing that Jeremy and Guido appear to exist in a magical world of their own, completely separate from that which the Novatainians and Tokians occupy, as evidenced by their completely unstructured use of magic, generally ripped off Harry Potter.*
*Thinks better of the above and says nothing.*
Andreas
"He showed up three or four years ago and accidentally took over the micronational world by being way more competent and enthusiastic than everyone else. Now he sort of rules us all, but it's a benevolent sort of thing, as far as we know."
~Scott Alexander
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*Sends 6,000 smurfs to kill Andreas*
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*remembers Craitman hasn't actually fought in a recwar*
Anyway, Monty, Harvey, Jonas, that all good then?
Anyway, Monty, Harvey, Jonas, that all good then?
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Because they don't interest me and I think they're shit and boring. So don't roll your eyes at me just because I'm not obsessed with the same pointless little things you are...Andreas the Wise wrote:*remembers Craitman hasn't actually fought in a recwar*
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I don't mind you not fighting in them. I ignore micronational sport, after all. What I object to is you attacking in a stupid manner in a war thread, and not knowing about them. I don't go into random FMF threads and post *scores goal*, do I?
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I was actually humouring the overuse of asterisk-action in the post of yours beforehand...Andreas the Wise wrote:What I object to is you attacking in a stupid manner in a war thread, and not knowing about them.