Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
here it is ;> http://www.federacjazachodnia.fora.pl/u ... i,811.htmlSaiKar wrote: And could I get some sort of link to the conflict in Tristenia, just to prove it existed as to confirm the veteran units? Anything that mentions the conflict will be fine.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Komandarm of National Army of Mikroslavia Juan Samirovic's OrBat
Mikroslavian Multi-National Brigades:
3. Regiment of Special Forces
*50 SPECNAZ soldiers (0.25k)
260. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (5k points)
*I divison:
-25 T-90 tanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90
*II divison
-25 T-90 tanks
*III Division
-25 T-90 tanks
*IV Division
-25 T-90 tanks
26. Air Force Division (3,75k)
*I wing:
-25 Mi-24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24
*II wing:
-25 Mi-24
27. Air Force Division ( 3k )
*I wing:
-25 Mi-28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-28
*II wing:
-25 Mi-28
28. Air Force Division ( 3k )
*I wing:
-25 Mi-28
*II wing:
-25 Mi-28
261. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces ( 5k )
*I Division:
-50 Pantsir - S1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir-S1
*II Division:
-50 Pantsir - S1
*III Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
*IV Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
*V Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
262. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces ( 5k )
*I Division
-50 TOS - 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1
*II Division
-50 TOS - 1
*III Division
-50 TOS - 1
*IV Division
-50 TOS - 1
( They are short range rocket launchers so i supose that 2 spare sets of rockets are added to their price ?)
Mikroslavian Multi-National Brigades:
3. Regiment of Special Forces
*50 SPECNAZ soldiers (0.25k)
260. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (5k points)
*I divison:
-25 T-90 tanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90
*II divison
-25 T-90 tanks
*III Division
-25 T-90 tanks
*IV Division
-25 T-90 tanks
26. Air Force Division (3,75k)
*I wing:
-25 Mi-24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24
*II wing:
-25 Mi-24
27. Air Force Division ( 3k )
*I wing:
-25 Mi-28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-28
*II wing:
-25 Mi-28
28. Air Force Division ( 3k )
*I wing:
-25 Mi-28
*II wing:
-25 Mi-28
261. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces ( 5k )
*I Division:
-50 Pantsir - S1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir-S1
*II Division:
-50 Pantsir - S1
*III Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
*IV Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
*V Division
-50 Pantsir - S1
262. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces ( 5k )
*I Division
-50 TOS - 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1
*II Division
-50 TOS - 1
*III Division
-50 TOS - 1
*IV Division
-50 TOS - 1
( They are short range rocket launchers so i supose that 2 spare sets of rockets are added to their price ?)
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
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2. Regiment of Special Forces (Order of the Red Rose) (together 2000 points)
* 200 soldiers of special forces (1000 points)
* 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90 (400 points) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-90
* 10 multi-purpose helicopters type Mi-17 armed with heavy machine guns mounted on both sides of heli (600 points) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-17
19. Regiment of Mikroslavian Mechanized Infantry (1000 soldiers, 30 armed vehicles - 5200 points)
* I division:
-300 soldiers
-10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
* II division:
- 350 soldiers
- 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
* III division:
-350 żołnierzy
- 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
256. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
257. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
258. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
259. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
25. Air Force Division (4050 pkt)
-30 multi-purpose helicopters type Mi-17
-30 battle helicopters type Mi-28
All soldiers are after many traverses and have high battle expearience. They are equipped with highest quality equip of Army of Mikroslavia. They were fighting in Tristenian conflict.
rest of points: 2750[/quote]
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2. Regiment of Special Forces (Order of the Red Rose) (together 2000 points)
* 200 soldiers of special forces (1000 points)
* 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90 (400 points) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-90
* 10 multi-purpose helicopters type Mi-17 armed with heavy machine guns mounted on both sides of heli (600 points) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-17
19. Regiment of Mikroslavian Mechanized Infantry (1000 soldiers, 30 armed vehicles - 5200 points)
* I division:
-300 soldiers
-10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
* II division:
- 350 soldiers
- 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
* III division:
-350 żołnierzy
- 10 armed infantry vehicles type BTR-90
256. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
257. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
258. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
259. Regiment of Mikroslavian Ekspeditional Forces (1000 soldiers - 3000 points)
* I division:
-350 soldiers
*II division:
-350 soldiers
*III division:
-300 soldiers
25. Air Force Division (4050 pkt)
-30 multi-purpose helicopters type Mi-17
-30 battle helicopters type Mi-28
All soldiers are after many traverses and have high battle expearience. They are equipped with highest quality equip of Army of Mikroslavia. They were fighting in Tristenian conflict.
rest of points: 2750[/quote]
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Thank youArtur von Schwarz wrote:here it is ;> http://www.federacjazachodnia.fora.pl/u ... i,811.htmlSaiKar wrote: And could I get some sort of link to the conflict in Tristenia, just to prove it existed as to confirm the veteran units? Anything that mentions the conflict will be fine.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Levitation, magic, alchemy, ion pulse weapons and dragons... Do I really need to protest or is it obvious?
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
it is our technology and through the convention we have right to use it ;> besides there is technical data of this ships. i can translate it into english if you want ;>
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Not without the agreement of the other side. IIBit is our technology and through the convention we have right to use it
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If you want to get technical (hint: you DON'T), Convention II B that deals with declarations of war suggests no default levels of technology or limits on what is impossible in the real world. As there was no actual declaration of war that I am aware of (I did warn everyone up and down about paperwork and still it didn't get all filled out) there is nothing standardizing or limiting technology. At this point I'm not quite sure what to do about the hole in the process. If I wanted to follow the Convention to the letter, I would declare the whole war illegal due to breach of Convention (no declaration of war agreed to by both sides). But that would mean basically wasting everyone's time, and that's no fun, so I'm trying to ad hoc things together since you guys sure as hell ain't gunna do what you're supposed to by yourselves.Behmanesh FarzAn wrote:Not without the agreement of the other side. IIBit is our technology and through the convention we have right to use it
Essentially, by not agreeing with Interland on a level of technology, you forfeited the right to bitch about it. That doesn't mean the judges will allow unbalanced units. It simply means that the judges have to find a way to make the units balanced within the realm of the technology that they presented with. Even with that said, this OrBat presents... difficulties... which makes me very glad Lord_Montague has agreed to deal with non-standard units from here on out.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Harvey, I quote:
Where the parameters for the war are not defined, it is assumed that Nuclear Weapons, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons and Magic are banned, and that any technology used must be in use (or have been in use) in real world military operations, and sufficient data must be obtained about its specifications.
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That runs counter to the purpose of the provision (and as this is, in effect, an international treaty, it is to be read purposively). IIB is about ensuring that non-standard technologies are not allowed other than by mutual agreement of the warring parties. The essence is that parties must agree to deviation from "normal" technology.
Indeed, the very wording of IIB suggests that it is the substance, rather than the form, of any declaration, that is significant. This is evidenced by the clause beginning "Where the parameters for the war are not defined". This explicitly acknowledges that there is no need to explicitly state the required tech level. Furthermore, it is clear that under the common law of Anunia, there is no requirement for a prescribed form of declaration: what matters is that the parties agree to go to recwar. In neither the Jasonian nor Amokolian wars were explicit declarations required; the parameters were decided later. This has therefore become established practice.
Applied to the present case, the declaration existed in the original thread "Antica Demands control over Montauk". By agreeing to a forum, the judges implicitly recognised a declaration of war. The technology parameters are entirely unnecessary to be declared other than to oust terms implied by operation of law.
In these circumstances, it is our submission that a common-law declaration has already been made and accepted by judicial action; the technology level should be that implied by the convention itself; and that any attempt to declare this war illegal would be ultra vires, contrary to established precedent, and estopped by the conduct of the judges themselves.
I would suggest a simpler solution: let the parties negotiate directly on the matter of permitted technology.
Indeed, the very wording of IIB suggests that it is the substance, rather than the form, of any declaration, that is significant. This is evidenced by the clause beginning "Where the parameters for the war are not defined". This explicitly acknowledges that there is no need to explicitly state the required tech level. Furthermore, it is clear that under the common law of Anunia, there is no requirement for a prescribed form of declaration: what matters is that the parties agree to go to recwar. In neither the Jasonian nor Amokolian wars were explicit declarations required; the parameters were decided later. This has therefore become established practice.
Applied to the present case, the declaration existed in the original thread "Antica Demands control over Montauk". By agreeing to a forum, the judges implicitly recognised a declaration of war. The technology parameters are entirely unnecessary to be declared other than to oust terms implied by operation of law.
In these circumstances, it is our submission that a common-law declaration has already been made and accepted by judicial action; the technology level should be that implied by the convention itself; and that any attempt to declare this war illegal would be ultra vires, contrary to established precedent, and estopped by the conduct of the judges themselves.
I would suggest a simpler solution: let the parties negotiate directly on the matter of permitted technology.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
sorry my fault ^^ its hard to get all this rules ;> so what should i do with that? ;> change this OrBat or? ;>
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
The only Orbat I think needs changing is Juan Samirovic's.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Mr. Farzan and Maliki's interpretation of IIB appears to me to be more than correct, knowing the intention of its creators and from the plain reading of the clause.
It is my belief that real-world technology must be adhered to in this conflict, despite the availability of specifications. The wording of IIB implies that the provision of specifications must take place within the war's technology level agreement, which in this case has been imposed due to lack of information provided to the Judges by either panel.
I would like to add as a caveat that I am, and Harvey, are very much aware of the existence of the gravship in the Jasonian War but such a gravship was agreed to by both sides even though other future technologies were subsequently ruled out.
Further to that caveat, I reject Mr. Farzan's assertion that we as Judges have implicitly recognised any declaration of war by recognising a forum. We have been asked to judge by the participating nations and it is on that basis that we recognise this war as being in existence. There is no formal declaration of war, but a state of war does appear to be in existence between the nations.
So to sum up:
Juan Samirovic needs to change his Order of Battle
There may not be a declaration of war but a state of war exists and is recognised by the judging panel.
The Judges urge all other participants to review their orbats for technological inconsistencies so no disputes arise during combat.
It is my belief that real-world technology must be adhered to in this conflict, despite the availability of specifications. The wording of IIB implies that the provision of specifications must take place within the war's technology level agreement, which in this case has been imposed due to lack of information provided to the Judges by either panel.
I would like to add as a caveat that I am, and Harvey, are very much aware of the existence of the gravship in the Jasonian War but such a gravship was agreed to by both sides even though other future technologies were subsequently ruled out.
Further to that caveat, I reject Mr. Farzan's assertion that we as Judges have implicitly recognised any declaration of war by recognising a forum. We have been asked to judge by the participating nations and it is on that basis that we recognise this war as being in existence. There is no formal declaration of war, but a state of war does appear to be in existence between the nations.
So to sum up:
Juan Samirovic needs to change his Order of Battle
There may not be a declaration of war but a state of war exists and is recognised by the judging panel.
The Judges urge all other participants to review their orbats for technological inconsistencies so no disputes arise during combat.
In Battle; Unbeatable.
In Victory; Unbearable.
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Re: Interlandian Side Orders of Battle
Thank you Montague. Should we also assume that when a unit is not specified, it takes the characteristics of the standard units in the convention? I'm mostly thinking about the badly named units in Harold Radioactiv's Orbat.
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I thank your lordship for his wise decision.